JFK Assassination: Fritz notes Oswald said he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”
April 5, 2014
Updated: March 27, 2015
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That’s what Lee Harvey Oswald told Captain Will Fritz, whose abbreviated notes were hidden until they were released in 1997 by ARRB: http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html
QUESTION 1: Assume Oswald was photographed in Altgens6. Then of course he could not have shot JFK. Would you expect that Will Fritz’s notes that Oswald was “out with Bill Shelley in front” would be hidden for 30 years? Yes or No?
QUESTION 2: In his WC tesrimony, Lovelady was asked to place a DARK arrow in the DARK area pointing to himself. The arrow appears to be pointing to Doorman on the TOP level. Frazier had placed an arrow pointing to Doorman in the light area. Do you agree that Lovelady and Frazier contradicted themselves since they both stated multiple times that Lovelady was standing in FRONT on the STEPS – not on the TOP level. Yes or No?
QUESTION 3: If a photo, video, document, testimony, etc. had to be altered or fabricated to convict Oswald, do you suppose it would have been? Yes or No?
QUESTION 4: If a witness could confirm that Oswald was standing out front, would he/she be allowed to so testify? Yes or No?
QUESTION 5: If a witness could confirm that Oswald was standing out front and was allowed to testify, would he/she be asked the question? Yes or No?
QUESTION 6: If a witness was a participant in the conspiracy to make LHO the patsy and was asked if LHO was out front, would he/she say he was? Yes or No?
QUESTION 7: Neither Lovelady, Shelley or others were asked directly if Oswald was out front. Would it have been a logical question to ask. Yes or No?
QUESTION 8: Oswald told Will Fritz that he was OUT FRONT WITH BILL SHELLEY at 12:30. Oswald was seen at 12:31 in the 2nd floor lunchroom by officer Baker and Roy Truly holding a coke. But he could not run from the 6th to the 2nd floor in 75-90 seconds, bought a coke and not show shortness of breath. It takes 10 seconds to walk from the first floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oswald must have told the truth to Fritz, since a) he already had an alibi, Bill Shelley, who was not asked by the WC if LHO was out front and b) he was seen by Truly and Baker at 12:31. Yes or No?
QUESTION 9: Lovelady died at age 41 in Jan. 1979 (during the HSCA investigation) from “complications” due to a heart attack. The probability of a 41 year old white male dying from a heart attack in 1979 was approximately 1 in 10,000. One must assume that as a critical witness Lovelady would have been sought to testify at the HSCA. Yes or No?
QUESTION 10: Many JFK researchers believe that Oswald was framed yet insist that he is not in the Altgens 6 photo. They say Doorman “looks like” Lovelady. But Doorman also “looks like” Oswald. Is that a sufficient response in light of the fact that Doorman’s open shirt style is different from Lovelady’s? Yes or No?
QUESTION 11: Is it just a coincidence that the TSBD witnesses are not clearly shown in Altgens 6? Yes or No?
QUESTION 12 Do you believe the Oswald backyard photos were fakes? Yes or No.
QUESTION 13: Do you believe the Z-film was altered? Yes or No?
QUESTION 14: Is there at least a possibility that Oswald is Doorman? Yes or No?
QUESTION 15: Do you believe Carolyn Arnold, a secretary at the TSBD, was mistaken in her statement that Oswald was on the first (i.e. ground) floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm? Yes or No?
QUESTION 16: Do you consider it odd that Arnold was not interviewed by the Warren Commission? Yes or No?
QUESTION 17: In the video at the 2 minute mark, a man looking like a balding Billy Lovelady appears at the lower right of the screen. He is facing the TSBD and is wearing a checkered shirt buttoned to the collar. No tee shirt is visible. It was NOT the shirt that Doorman was wearing. Do you agree that it appears to be Lovelady? Yes or No? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNHtUDEDAI
QUESTION 18: In the Altgens6 photo, Doorman is wearing a long-sleeve shirt open to reveal his tee shirt. The 2/29/64 FBI photo of Lovelady shows him wearing a short-sleeve striped shirt. The FBI claimed Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeve shirt on 11/22/63, Does the fact that Doorman is wearing a long sleeve shirt seem odd to you? Yes or No.
QUESTION 19: Naysayers claim that Lovelady is Doorman because not one TSBD employee identified Oswald. But they could not say they saw Oswald in front since it had already been determined that he was the sole deranged, communist, Lone Nut assassin. Do you agree that is a plausible reason they would have been inhibited from testifying that Oswald was in front? Yes or No.
QUESTION 20: Lovelady and Frazier both testified multiple times (see below) that Lovelady was standing in front of Frazier on the steps. Frazier was on the TOP level (the first floor). Since Doorman was also standing on the TOP level, Lovelady could not be Doorman. Yes or No?
CONCLUSION: Simple logic proves that Lee Harvey Oswald was Doorman standing in front of the TSBD in the Altgens6 photo taken at 12:30, the moment JFK was shot. IT’S TIME TO CLOSE THE BOOK ON THE UNENDING PARLOR GAME. OSWALD SAID HE WAS “OUT FRONT WITH BILL SHELLEY”. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT HE WAS LYING. HE NEVER FIRED A SHOT.
Click the GIF: http://oswald.shorturl.com/
WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY
Testified at the Wrren Commission that he was standing on the TOP landing of the entrance to the TSBD. Billy Lovelady testified that he SAT on the steps in FRONT of Shelley. Doorman is standing in Altgens6.
Mr. SHELLEY – Oh, several people were out there waiting to watch the motorcade and I went out to join them.
Mr. BALL – And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY – Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill, Sarah Stanton, she’s with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady joined us shortly afterwards.
Mr. BALL – You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY – Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL – That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY – yes.
Mr. BALL – Did you see the motorcade pass?
Confirmed that he was on the steps, not on the Top Level where Doorman was standing.
Mr. LOVELADY – That’s on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, “Well, I’ll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps,” so I went out there.
Mr. BALL – You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL – Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL – What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Stanton.
Mr. BALL – What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL – And Stanton’s first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL – Did you stay on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes.
Mr. BALL – Were you there when the President’s motorcade went by?
Mr. LOVELADY – Right
confirmed Lovelady was on the steps in 5 interviews from 1963-86
1. 11/22/63 to the DPD
2. 3/1/64 at the WC
3. 2/13/69 at the Garrison/Shaw trial
4. 1978 at HSCA
5. 1986 at the Oswald Mock Trial
1. 11/22 Dallas PD (handwritten statement and affidavit)
Lovelady was standing on the front steps.
2. 3/1/64 Warren Commission
Frazier testified that Lovelady was standing two or three steps below him. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm
Mr. BALL – We have got a picture taken the day of the parade and it shows the President’s car going by. Now, take a look at that picture. Can you see your picture any place there?
Mr. FRAZIER – No, sir; I don’t, because I was back up in this more or less black area here.
Mr. BALL – I see.
Mr. FRAZIER – Because Billy, like I say, is TWO or THREE STEPS down in FRONT of me. (why would he say this if it were not true?)
Mr. BALL – Do you recognize this fellow?
Mr. FRAZIER – That is Billy, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL - Billy? (Ball must be concerned with Frazier’s answer. He does not want him to say Lovelady is on the STEPS, so he uses guile to twist the testimony).
Mr. FRAZIER – Right
Mr. BALL – Let’s take a marker and make an arrow down that way. That mark is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – That is where you told us you were standing a moment ago.
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – In FRONT of you to the right over to the wall?
Mr. FRAZIER – Yes. (Frazier once again says that Lovelady was standing BELOW him on the STEPS, but then UNWITTINGLY CONTRADICTS himself by pointing to Doorman who was on the TOP Level).
Mr. BALL – Is this a Commission exhibit?
We will make this a Commission Exhibit No. 369.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 369 for identification.)
3. 2/13/69 Shaw/Garrison trial http://www.jfk-online.com/fraziershaw.html
Q: Can you see the spot where you were situated when the presidential motorcade came by?
A:Yes,sir, I can.
Q: Will you take this symbol and place it at that location where you were standing?
Q: Mr.Frazier, do you recall who you were with during the presidential motorcade?
A: Yes, sir, I can. When I was standing there at the TOP of the stairs, I was standing there by a heavyset lady who worked up in our office, her name is Sara, I forget her last name, but she was standing right there BESIDE me when we watched the motorcade.
Q: Do you recall anyone else who may have been with you?
A: Right down in FRONT of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady were standing there.
4. 1978 HSCA interview by Moriarity and Day
Standing right on the STEPS
5. 1986 Oswald Mock trial
Gerry Spence: “You recall that 23 years later that BNL was standing in FRONT of you.About 4 steps in FRONT of you. Is that correct?”
Frazier: Yes it is..
This GIF conforms with Shelley’s and Lovelady’s testimony of where they were positioned at the TSBD. It shows that Altgens6 was ALTERED to MORPH Oswald’s face to Lovelady while Lovelady’s was BLOCKED out. It is reminiscent of the fake Oswald backyard photos in which his face was superimposed over another body. Oswald said he could prove it – but never got the chance. Now it all fits: http://betshort.com/loveos.gif
Lovelady’s Shirt: Plaid (11/22/63) vs Striped (2/29/64)
According to researcher Josiah Thompson, Lovelady told CBS News that the striped, short sleeved shirt he was photographed wearing by the FBI on 2/29/64 was NOT the shirt he was wearing on 11/22/63. He said he wore a PLAID, box patterned shirt. The shirt matched the one seen in the Roger Craig interview at the 2 minute mark. https://conspiracycritic7.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wpid-wpid-2013-07-22-21-36-33-picsay.jpeg
In 1971, Lovelady and his wife wrote this for Robert Groden, claiming he wore a plaid shirt in 11/22/63: https://conspiracycritic7.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wpid843-wpid-6989002969_5633154508_z.jpeg
Notice how the figures to the left of Oswald have been blotted out. No one is identifiable. Why? http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/GrodenAnnot-one-half14.jpg
Latest update: Judyth Baker, author of “Me and Lee”, has done a pixel analysis of Oswald’s shirt vs. Lovelady’s which proves Oswald is Doorman. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X2eD2Wl3xSmRHTuE02ntfYkb3ES2Kuo8wl3HHzzAlD8/pub
This looks like Billy Lovelady sitting in the police station as Oswald is brought in after his arrest. If it is a fake photo, as some suggest, what was the rationale for inserting Lovelady in it? Click for full view: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/25/jfk-special-oswald-was-in-the-doorway-after-all/lovelady-1/
Oswald’s shirt:proof that he was Doorman http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/26/newseum-displays-oswalds-shirt-proof-that-he-was-doorman/ http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/25/jfk-special-oswald-was-in-the-doorway-after-all/
Did Officer Baker and Roy Truly encounter Oswald on the 2nd floor? http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-lunchroom-encounter-that-never-was.html
Of 17 TSBD employees interviewed by the Warren Commission, 9 said the shots came from the Grassy Knoll (GK), 5 TSBD (TB), 1 Knoll and TSBD, 1 other, 1 not asked
TSBD employee, source of shots, WC Link
Adams, Victoria GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/adams_v.htm
Arce, Danny GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/arce.htm
Baker, Mrs. Donald GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/baker.htm
Burns, Doris GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/burns.htm
Dougherty, Jack TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/doughert.htm
Frazier, Buell Wesley GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm
Givens, Charles not asked http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htm
Hine, Geneva TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hine.htm
Jarman, James Other http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm
Lovelady, Billy GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm
Molina, Joe GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/molina.htm
Norman, Harold TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/norman.htm
Piper, Eddie TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/piper2.htmSanders,
Reid, Mrs. Robert TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm
Sanders, Pauline GKTB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/exhibits/ce1434.htm
Shelley, William GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm
Truly, Roy GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/truly1.htm