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A Physicist/ Mathematician/ Astronomer reviews “Reclaiming Science: The JFK Conspiracy”

Richard Charnin
Feb. 15, 2015
Updated: May 28, 2016

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Look inside the book:
Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy

Philip Stahl is a prolific Astronomer, Physicist and JFK researcher. He wrote: The JFK Assassination: Final Analysis and reviewed my book:  Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy:

I sent Stahl  my post: Debunking Scott Aaronson’s “Twenty Reasons to Believe Oswald Acted Alone : https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/10285/
He then wrote a 4-part article which closed the book on Aaronson:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/why-some-quantum-physicists-need-to.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/scott-aaronson-in-over-his-head-on-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-scott-aarons-2o-reasons-for.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-scott-aaronsons-20-reasons.html

These are recent posts:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2016/05/lee-oswald-innocence-campaign-long.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2016/05/rip-mark-lane-one-of-earliest-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2016/05/did-rafael-cruz-help-lee-oswald-kill.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2016/03/what-maddow-left-out-in-her-segment-on.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2016/03/ridiculous-memes-about-jfks-supply-side.html

http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/12/skeptics-society-still-tilting-at-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/12/tom-hanks-finally-gets-to-broadcast-his.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/11/convergence-of-two-important-books.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.be/2015/11/reelz-tv-killing-kennedy-50-questions.html

http://brane-space.blogspot.be/2015/11/reelztv-reels-off-outdated-answers-in.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.be/2015/11/yet-another-prof-blows-it-on-oswald-and.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/how-i-became-interested-in-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-i-dont-waste-time-posting-on-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-i-remain-uniquely-qualified-to-have.html

Exposing Trolls and Disinformationists:
1- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/04/john-macadams-tries-to-rip-my-review-of.html
2- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/02/rachel-maddow-again-lies-about-lee.html
3- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/03/oreillys-lies-in-killing-kennedy-show.html
4- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2011/10/stephen-kings-new-scifi-tale-fun-but.html
5- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/vince-bugliosis-magnificent-obsession.html

6- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/ny-times-reviewer-jill-abramson.html
7- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/author-philip-shenon-is-he-idiot-or-dupe.html
8- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/even-liberals-can-be-victims-of.html
9- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-southern-poverty-law-center-still.html
10- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-second-assassination-today-fifty.html

11- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/bob-schieffer-not-worthy-to-be-called.html
12- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/12/why-i-trust-oliver-stone-over-bob.html
13- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html
14- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/glenn-garvin-fact-dont-matter-in-jfk.html
15- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/11/be-still-my-heart-oreilly-does-jfk.html

16- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/vince-bugliosis-magnificent-obsession_29.html
17- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/vince-bugliosis-magnificent-obsession_30.html
18- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/what-have-we-learned-this-past-week.html
19- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/educating-australian-bloke-on-basic.html
20- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/11/top-ten-ways-to-test-conspiracy-claims.html

21- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/13-pages-on-conspiracy-industry-and.html
22- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/killing-kennedy-what-it-got-wrong-pt-2.html
23- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/11/hyper-skepticism-of-conspiracy-phobics.html
24- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/beware-conspiracy-theorists-no-beware.html
25- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/09/will-lone-nuts-trot-out-more-malarkey.htm

26- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/06/jfk-woukd-not-have-escalated-in-vietnam.html
27- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/06/rip-vince-bugliosi-fervent-but.html
28- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/09/shattered-consensus-another-prime.html
29- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-rachel-maddow-is-wrong-on-james.html
30- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/06/germans-tom-hanks-wasting-his-time-with.html

Stahl responds to frequently asked questions on the assassination:
1- Oswald’s Background:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk.html
2- Oswald’s Sheep-Dipping:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_10.html
3- Garrison Investigation:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_12.html
4a- Warren Commission 1:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_13.html:
4b- Warren Commission 2:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_14.html
5- Bullets, Wounds:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_15.html

6- The WC Rifle Tests:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-fhe-jfk.html
7- HSCA Investigation:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_19.html
8- Nix and Zapruder Films:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_20.html
9- Plots and Assassins:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_21.html
10- Media Complicity:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_22.html

Miscellaneous:
1- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/analysis-of-pixel-diffusion-in-oswald.html
2- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-pre-assassination-framing-of-lee.html
3- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-pre-assassination-framing-of-lee_1807.html
4- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/09/jfk-and-national-security-state-1.html
5- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/09/jfk-and-national-security-state-2.html

6- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/12/yes-americans-deserve-to-know-what-cia.html
7- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/dallas-city-with-death-wish-in-its-eye.html
8- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/ike-jfk-also-hostage-to-national.html
9- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/secret-service-scandalnot-first.html
10- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2010/02/was-zapruder-film-tampered-with.html
11- http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/07/jfk-would-have-welcomed-re-opening-of.html
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JFK Lone Nutters and Trolls: A compendium of lies, stupidity and ignorance

JFK Lone Nutters and Trolls: A compendium of lies, stupidity and ignorance

Richard Charnin
Jan.27, 2015
Updated:Sept.29, 2015

JFK Blog Posts
Look inside the book:
Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy

It’s very easy to spot a JFK disinformationist/troll. They use variations of the same Lone Nutter playbook to deceive readers and divert discussions. They ignore facts, avoid the scientific method and apply logical fallacies. I have blocked Facebook trolls who are not included in the following list.

Andrea Skolnik
On the JFK Ventor Group, Andrea claimed that I pull statistics out of my behind. So now Andrea has formally joined the class of Lone Nutters who criticize my work with ad-hominems. I hereby challenge her to refute the data, content, calculations and logic in any of these JFK blog posts. Andrea’s only expertise is in attacking truth seekers. https://docs.google.com/document/d/15vokd2I6Zd32OWUvkQ29furIWkOPWZ9Pwms3Wy4Sc6E/pub

John McAdams
Falsified the testimony of Dealey Plaza witnesses on the source of the shots. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/jfk-dealey-plaza-witnesses-john-mcadams-strange-list/
McAdams was also wrong in attempting to debunk the relevance of witness deaths provided by JFK researchers Penn Jones, Sylvia Meagher, Jim Marrs, Richard Belzer, David Wayne, Craig Roberts, etc. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/debunking-john-mcadams-debunking-of-jim-marrs-witness-list/

Dale Myers
Composed three MYTHS which he claims are scientific proofs:
1- With Malice a fraudulent attempt to prove that Oswald killed Tippit.
2- A bogus animation to prove the impossible Magic Bullet Theory.
3- Disputes HSCA acoustic experts who proved a Grassy Knoll shooter.

Myers is easily proven to be a fraud on all three counts: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/jfk-debunking-emmy-award-winning-researcher-dale-myers/

1- According to FBI agents Sibert and O’Neill who attended the autopsy, the magic bullet entered JFK’s back 5.5” below the collar and did not exit!
2- Oswald could not have shot Tippit at 1:16pm as the Warren Commission claimed.  Tippit was declared dead in the hospital at 1:16pm! All witnesses heard shots no later than 1:06pm. Oswald was seen outside his apartment at 1:04pm, 0.9 miles from the shooting.
3- Gunshots were recorded on a dictabelt at the assassination. There was a ZERO probability that six shots would synchronize with the Zapruder film: http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html

Steve Roe
This notorious Lone Nutter gave my book a one-star review. He wrote:
“Wait for the bargain bin if you really want to read this book, March 31, Refuse to read this book, knowing the author’s serious lack of research and knowledge of the JFK assassination. Here is his fan base that inflate his reviews”.
Some review; some character.

Ed Cage
This Lone Nutter is relentless. He asks the same idiotic questions over and over even though they have been answered. But he ignores the commenting on the evidence. For example, the magic bullet: Cage refuses to consider that FBI agents Sibert and O’Neill attended the autopsy and claimed that the so-called “magic bullet” NEVER EXITED. Cage writes regarding the Dale Myers cartoon: “I have been to DP 18 to 20x with stepladder, measuring tool, camera and a wooden rifle with a scope. If you watched the first 4 min of the video I posted narrated by Peter Jennings it should make sense. If you are still doubtful let me ask you … Where do you think the ce399 exit from JFK’s throat went?”
FBI O’Neill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzhKy-O4T4
FBI Sibert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNZBfPkbPk

Zachary Jendro
Claims that the black man sitting in front of Doorman in the Altgens6 photo raised his arm showing the same pattern shirt as Doorman. What are the odds? Jendro will go to any (arms) length to try and debunk Judyth Baker’s pixelation analysis of Doorman’s shirt which proved he was Oswald.  Jendro cannot refute the Warren Commission testimony of both Lovelady and Frazier that Lovelady was standing on the steps. Frazier testified that he was on the top level (first floor entrance) standing next to Sarah Stanton. It is only logical to conclude that Lovelady must be the (cutout) figure standing in front of Stanton.Therefore, Oswald must be Doorman standing on the top level entrance to the TSBD. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

Judyth Baker’s pixel analysis of Doorman’s shirt proves it cannot be Lovelady: http://judythvarybakertruth.blogspot.com/2015/01/zachary-jendro-maybe-judyth-needs-to.html
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Project.Innocent.Lee.Harvey.Oswald/permalink/1388580938105429/

Mike Davinroy
This charlatan posted on Facebook about a year ago where he failed to debunk my witness death analysis. Now he is on Amazon posting a “review” of my book which again reveals his ignorance. He calls my book “Lipstick on a Pig”. He wrote: “As much as I admire serious assassination researchers and personally believe it’s theoretically conceivable that there was some type of limited assassination conspiracy (although I know of no defensible evidence pointing to such) – this type of nonsense only hurts the cause of honest conspiracy research.”

A rational reader replied: “You’re saying you admire serious researchers and “honest conspiracy research,” yet know of no evidence to support a conspiracy. So who are these “serious” researchers you admire? Bugliosi? McAdams? Posner?” 

John Iacoletti
Claims that heart attacks and cancers cannot be induced. He does not comprehend that I was conservative in tripling the national homicide rate from 0.000084 to 0.000253 to calculate the probability of 34 official JFK-related homicides among 1400 witnesses from 1964-78. The conservative probability is 1 in 13,000 trillion. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=74

Note: the 34 official homicides were grossly understated since the official number of ruled accidents, suicides and heart attacks exceeded their mathematical expectation. The difference between the official and expected numbers were likely homicides. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/jfk-exposing-another-disinformationist-on-facebook/

Carmine Savastano
Claims that the official, ruled causes of 100+ JFK-related witness deaths are not verifiable. But he goes even further: he states the deaths caused by homicide, accident, suicide, heart attack and sudden cancer are NOT suspicious. He demands that I post references to all coroner reports. I told him that he should just get them himself. This charlatan is transparent and completely illogical – a classic troll. He is effectively calling researchers who have written books and articles on JFK-related witness deaths incompetent: Penn Jones, Sylvia Meagher, Richard E. Sprague, Jim Marrs, Richard Belzer, David Wayne, Jesse Ventura, John Simkin and Craig Roberts, etc… Carmine is parroting his mentor John McAdams. But his comments are even more out of touch than McAdams.

Mark Ulrik
This Facebook troll from Denmark also tried to discredit my work a year ago. He showed up again on Amazon – just like Davinroy. Of course, he he gave my book a one-star review, calling it “junk Science”. But like all Lone Nutters, he reveals his mathematical ignorance. He claims that surveys of Dealey Plaza witnesses as to the source of the shots is like weather forecasting. Mark is too brain-damaged to realize that witnesses testified as to what they heard, not what they expected to hear. Mark does not comprehend that a survey is not a prediction: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/debunking-john-mcadams-debunking-of-jim-marrs-witness-list/

Lance Upperton
Has dedicated a web site in which he disparages anyone who believes that Oswald was Doorman standing at the entrance to the TSBD. It’s been six months since I asked Lance to answer simple YES or NO questions on this topic. He refused to do so with the lame excuse that the questions contain assumptions. It is merely designed to ascertain his beliefs. Here are the questions: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/10137/

Kyle Gizas
This Facebook troll claims that a statistical analysis of witness deaths is equivalent to a pre-election poll in which respondents are asked who they will vote for. He exposes his statistical naivete just like Mark Ulrik in comparing witness surveys of what DID HAPPEN to weather forecasting models which predict what MIGHT HAPPEN. Kyle is too dense to comprehend that dead witnesses were not polled on their cause of death: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/9978/

Last, but not least, a Lone Nutter wrote that even though the probability of the unnatural deaths is ONE in 100,000 TRILLION, it was still possible! Sorry, I don’t have the link to this insanity.

Stay tuned. This post will be updated with additional examples of Lone Nutter trolling inanities.

 
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A math-phobic troll claims that JFK-related witness deaths are NOT suspicious

A math-phobic troll claims that JFK-related witness deaths are NOT suspicious

Richard Charnin
Jan.24, 2015

JFK Blog Posts
Look inside the book:
Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy

Carmine Savastano claims that the official, ruled causes of 100+ JFK-related witness deaths are not verifiable. But he goes even further: he states the deaths caused by homicide, accident, suicide, heart attack and sudden cancer are NOT suspicious. He demands that I post references to all the coroner’s reports. I told him that since he wants proof, he should just get them himself. This charlatan is transparent and completely illogical – a classic troll.

He is effectively calling great researchers incompetent in their books and articles on convenient JFK-related witness deaths: Penn Jones, Sylvia Meagher, Richard E. Sprague, Jim Marrs, Richard Belzer, David Wayne, Jesse Ventura, John Simkin and Craig Roberts, etc… Carmine is parroting his mentor John McAdams. But his comments are even more out of touch than McAdams.

The 122 JFK Calc witnesses official and estimated true cause of death:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=1

Graphical proof of a conspiracy:https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/jfk-witness-deaths-graphical-proof-of-a-conspiracy/

The Facebook thread:https://www.facebook.com/groups/JFKED/permalink/1541586816108007/

Carmine Savastano
Ah Richard…More insults, no evidence. I am noticing a pattern. What you have concluded means little without evidence to prove it. Well take that up with those who doubt it. I doubt your sources based on the evidence that can be verified.

Richard Charnin
Let’s pursue your statement in general. Provide us with evidence in the JFK assassination (do not include Judyth Baker’s evidence) that you consider to be verifiable and proven. Also display another list of evidence that you consider unverifiable and unproven. Cite your sources.

Carmine Savastano
instead how about she answers questions repeatedly asked instead of having others attempt to change the subject. Speculation is not my style. So is there evidence or not? It is a simple proposition. I am not claiming anything I cannot prove. I do not like making multiple lists as some do. Just evidence. I have offered the problems they can be addressed reasonably or you can insult and ignore reasonble questions. Simple really. Since I have not made the book with unproven claims I do not need to prove them. Have you got those coroner’s reports yet? The evidence is in these threads, easy to find if you look.

Richard Charnin
we would like to know what conclusions you have come to. Surely, there must be some evidence that you consider proven and verifiable and other evidence which is not. With all of your experience in investigating the claims of JFK researchers and others, as an intelligent critic you must have some opinions on this matter. You have already claimed that evidence heretofore presented (by myself and Judyth, for example) is unverifiable and unproven, right? So give us two lists: Column A- proven; Column B – unproven. We like Chinese food.

Carmine Savastano
Well I do appreciate the compliment even if it was sarcasm, that may be the nicest thing you have ever said to me. Levity aside, I consider significant amounts of evidence proven. I am happy to discuss them at length. However, is it too much to ask that Judyth answers the many questions others and I have posed before we change the subject?

Carmine Savastano
How about a few?

Richard Charnin
Do not discuss them at length. Just give us a list. With sources, please. I would say give us as much as you can, and not limit the number to just a few.

Carmine Savastano
Lists do not offer background and context. No if you want a list that might be possible when I get a few answers. Speaking of lists, did you review all the coroner’s reports? Perhaps you can answer a question while I wait for Judyth? Us? I see some are hungry to attack something, I fear you shall have to wait. I am waiting for my answers still, so you will have to as well.

Richard Charnin
You can list them in a sequence of chapters over the next day or two, as if you are writing a book.

Richard Charnin
Don’t ask me about the coroner’s reports. I asked YOU questions. Please do not try to divert from the issue at hand.

Carmine Savastano
Why thanks, how nice of you. You answer a question perhaps I will too.
No Richard you failed to answer them, now you presume to ask. Amusing.

Richard Charnin
You are still in avoidance and changing the subject. Please respond to MY questions. You may proceed.

Carmine Savastano
Still the same question, since you do not wish to answer it, shall I then conclude you did not read the coroner’s reports? Thus, the natural deaths are not contended by evidence. Just hypothesis, which is fine, it is possible, just not conclusive.

Richard Charnin
You are still in avoidance and changing the subject. Please respond to MY questions. You may proceed. You can read the coroner’s reports yourself. In fact, include them. Cite your sources.

Carmine Savastano
It is charming how you seek to turn this around. Yet it is you and JVB who will not offer evidence and answer questions. The subject never changed you just seek to change it.

Richard Charnin
Now, that you have attempted to change the subject, the onus is on YOU to cite the evidence of verifiable and unverifiable claims SPECIFICALLY. And please cite YOUR sources.

Carmine Savastano
Yes richard because its not about Judyth, you, or me, its about what evidence we have to prove our claims. Im still waiting. Here is my evidence that contends your claims. Care to comment? Seeking to make it about me will not prove your claims. Try as you might. Citations are in the article Are many Suspicious deaths supported by Evidence?
(A rebuttal of “A closer look at the HSCA list of 21 deaths” by Richard Charnin) http://tpaak.com/new-blog/2014/12/20/are-many-suspicious-deaths-supported-by-evidence
Some claim a large and expansive list of deaths related to the Kennedy assassination. This is in addition to the expansive plot that often accompanies such claims. That is evidence I support, want more?

Richard Charnin
I am not turning anything around. I asked you to enlghten us with some examples of verifiable and unverifiable evidence – and to cite your sources. Are you prepared to do that? You are the one who is expounding as if you are expert on verifiable and unverifiable evidence. Let’s see what you have. What is verifiable? What is not? And cite your sources.

Carmine Savastano
It is cited in the article. Here is more evidence.
http://tpaak.com/new-blog/2015/1/14/a-question-of-time
This supports Oswald did not know until november 19th, which does not support the story offered.

A Question of Time
Lee Harvey Oswald could not have been employed at the Texas School Book Depository without learning of the job from Ruth Paine. This infers he did not plan to be in the Depository in November. Secret Service Agent Forrest Sorrells changed the parade route on November 18th, not just before. Howeve…
TPAAK.COM

Richard Charnin
Just a summary list will suffice. Column A and Column B with a statement and a link We want to see very quickly where you stand..

Carmine Savastano
Keep asking I will keep posting articles. The evidence is listed already under References. I like lists with context. I support and you can verify the sources.

Carmine Savastano
So do you have answer on the coroner’s reports? Wikipedia? How about the dozens of unproven sources prior cited from JVB’s book. Since you want to discuss evidence let everyone do so, or admit perhaps there are some problems.

Richard Charnin
Carmine, let me help you since beneath your calm veneer, you appear to be on the verge of a state of panic. Here is the list of names in JFK Calc with the official cause of 122 unnatural and suspicious deaths. You have asked me to verify the information which I have gotten from lists drawn by Penn Jones, Sylvia Meagher, Jim Marrs, Richard Belzer, David Wayne, Jesse Ventura.John Simkin and Craig Roberts. I also have provided a link to the 21 deaths noted by the HSCA: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/…/jfk-witnesses-a…/ .

Now you have the list of 122 names. If you want to REFUTE THE OFFICIAL CAUSES OF DEATH then I suggest that YOU go through each coroner’s report. After all, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO MADE THE CLAIM THAT THE LIST WAS NOT VERIFIABLE. RIGHT? SO GO RIGHT AHEAD AND PROVE YOUR CASE:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=1

Carmine Savastano
Hah, Though you are a panic, I need not fear losing composure over unproven claims. So have you read the coroner’s reports? If not how do you claim the deaths were not natural as the attending coroner stated they were? I like primary evidence not secondary hypothesis.

Richard Charnin
Again, Carmine, please read my comments. I asked you to provide a list of what you believe to be unverifiable and verifiable evidence. TWO COLUMNS, with a link to support your case. CAN YOU PROVIDE THIS MENU?

Carmine Savastano
If you did not bother to review the medical evidence in each case how can you be so sure of your figures? Would that not infer errors are likely form making prior assumptions that could inflate the list unnecessarily?

Carmine Savastano
Richard, you have ignored my questions for days, answer a few and maybe I shall indulge your latest demand, or just try to change the subject because you cannot answer the question. Did you read the coroner’s report?

Richard Charnin
Must I spell it out for you? Create a spreadsheet of claims with these column headings: Claim (Evidence)- Verifiable- Unverifiable- Link

Carmine Savastano
Must I explain it requires verifiable evidence not your best guess to prove a death was mysterious? That all the lists in the world not based on verifiable evidence prove nothing. If the body of evidence does not support something it remains unproven.

Richard Charnin
The official, ruled cause of deaths are not verifiable? Prove it. The onus is on you to get the coroner’s reports for the 122 and try and refute ALL the researchers I have listed above. Now go to it and stop diverting. This is not a joke. But your avoidance is HILARIOUS.

Carmine Savastano
Yes it is verifiable. Its your list , your burden of proof. You are hilarious. You should have read them, if you chose not to, not my problem. So do you admit that 50 natural deaths were listed as not without full verification using the medical files?

Richard Charnin
I got the list from articles and books written by Penn Jones, Sylvia Meagher, Richard E. Sprague, Jim Marrs, Richard Belzer, David Wayne, Jesse Ventura. John Simkin and Craig Roberts. NOW ARE YOU GOING TO CLAIM THAT THEY ALL USED UNVERIFIABLE DATA? ARE YOU GOING TO CLAIM THEY ARE AMATEUR RESEARCHERS? ARE YOU GOING TO CLAIM THAT JOHN MCADAMS IS CORRECT IN HIS DISMISSING THIS EVIDENCE SINCE YOU APPARENTLY AGREE WITH HIM? ARE YOU A MCADAMS WANNABEE?

Carmine Savastano
That is wonderful. Books are secondary sources. For the most accurate I would suggest medical files and primary sources. I claim anything beyond primary verifiable evidence is not verifiable. Lists do not prove things, evidence does. Better evidence gives more accurate results. Authors can use interpretation which can change the facts from as they were originally stated. It does not matter who wrote the book. Remember its not about them, you , or me, but evidence.

Richard Charnin
Carmine Savastano, get ready for Part II. I am seriously thinking of posting the contents of this thread on other JFK groups and on my blog. You will experience deja vu as you are about to be humiliated once again.

Carmine Savastano
Richard I am aware you have been talking about me for some time. I’m more than ready for your next article. Post away. I have nothing that I regret saying. So perhaps check the coroner’s reports, while your busy attempting label me whatever the latest claim is.

Judyth Baker
For those who would like a simple explanation of what Richard has done, let’s show all of you why “coroner’;s reports” are not necessary in Charnin;s work. I’ll take the example of a tsunami. In that one event, an unusual number of people llost their lives. It was a head count and no coroner’s report was needed for each victim. The unusual number of deaths spiked the statistics: you could see a correlation and everybody knew this was a ‘tsunami’ related phenomenon: all those deaths. Now, apply this to the Kennedy assassination statistics for those who had any link to the Kennedy assassination and the EXPECTED number of deaths. The spike is there. It’s a relative ‘tsunami” event. It doesn;t matter about quibbling about whether a death was declared natural or not. It doesn’t matter if a coroner lied or not or was pressured to cover up a fact or two. It has to do with the raw death count. The raw death count is outrageously out of proportion to the normal expected death count. Charnin shows you just how high that spike goes–and here we have non-statisticians quibbling about coroners’ reports. They’re out of their league and embarrassing themselves.

Judyth Baker
Maybe I’ll use “this is Judyth” a lot more, just to get their panties in a bunch, LOL!

Carmine Savastano
Judtyh here is why you are wrong. The attending medical expert knows more than you and Richard claim to and have actually seen the conditions of the body and tested them. So without contending primary evidence its your best guess. No matter who likes it or endorses it.

Richard Charnin
So Carmine, are you saying that the officially ruled homicides, accidents, suicides, sudden cancers and heart attacks are different from the coroner’s reports? Then go get the official causes of death. What is the purpose of the coroner’s report if it is not to indicate the official cause of death? You have totally embarrassed yourself and can no longer be considered credible in anything you say. If I may be frank, your statement is not just wrong, it is STUPID – even more so than anything McAdams has ever written on this subject. So here is the deal. YOU go through ALL 122 coroner reports for the OFFICIAL causes of death. Then compare each of the 122 to the OFFICIAL cause of death that a dozen JFK researchers have noted and which are included in the JFK Calc database. For the official causes of death, you need to look at column H in this JFK Calc tab. Now go to work. PROVE YOUR POINT. PROVE THAT I AM WRONG. PROVE THAT THE CAUSES OF 122 DEATHS LISTED IN JFK CALC ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE CORONER’S REPORTS. YOU SAID IT.NOW PROVE IT.

Carmine Savastano
No Richard you are. Hence your feasibly incorrect list.

Richard Charnin
Carmine, let’s put an end to this madness. Let’s get down to the basics. You appear to be confused by your repetitive demands to see the coroner reports. You apparently do not comprehend that suspicious deaths include two categories: unnatural and natural.

There were 122 suspicious deaths, of which 78 were OFFICIALLY RULED UNNATURAL: 34 homicides, 24 accidents, 16 suicides, 4 unknown. Of the other 44 OFFICIALLY RULED NATURAL deaths, 25 were due to heart attacks and 19 due to other causes (cancer, etc.) Only 17 UNNATURAL deaths were statistically EXPECTED among the 1400 JFK-related witnesses based on the weighted average unnatural death rate (0.000247).

Only 2 homicides were expected based on the 0.000084 average homicide rate. The probability of 34 homicides is 1.57 E-31 (1 in 6 million trillion trillion). Those were the OFFICIAL CAUSES OF DEATH. The probability of 78 unnatural deaths is even lower: 2.76E-62 (1 in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion).

Based on the STATISTICAL EXPECTATION of each cause of death, I calculated an ESTIMATE of the TRUE CAUSES OF DEATH: 86 HOMICIDES, 8 ACCIDENTS, 3 SUICIDES,4 UNKNOWN, 10 HEART ATTACKS, 6 CANCERS AND 5 OTHER NATURAL. I distinguish between the OFFICIAL CAUSES OF DEATH and the estimated TRUE cause of death. BUT AS I HAVE SHOWN ABOVE, EVEN ASSUMING THE OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH, THE PROBABILITIES ARE ZERO. Therefore, the estimated true cause of death is essentially a moot point even though it illustrates that the OFFICIAL CORONER REPORTS do not reflect the ACTUAL CAUSE OF DEATH.

Do you get it now, Carmine Savastano? Or will you remain in your current state of ignorance and naivete? Will you continue to persist in your insane demand that I provide coroner’s reports for each of the 122 deaths when the OFFICIAL CAUSE OF THESE DEATHS HAS BEEN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE SINCE 1978?

Carmine Savastano
Richard, all you need is to prove with the primary evidence that you are correct. According to it not your claims you are not. Unless you assess all the relevant evidence to prove your claims. I did not mistake your claims. Suicides are unnatural not suspicious because you claim they are, 24 accidents not suspicious, 4 unknown, not suspicious, add the 44 natural deaths you never bothered to look into and that makes 72 deaths by natural or unnatural means, not suspicious without substantial proof. Unnatural means do not definitively mean suspicious, See the difference yet? I read your article just fine. Try mine. Yours is a hypothesis, not based on all the primary evidence.http://tpaak.com/…/are-many-suspicious-deaths-supported…
Are many Suspicious deaths supported by Evidence?
(A rebuttal of “A closer look at the HSCA list of 21 deaths” by Richard Charnin) Some claim a large and expansive list of deaths related to the Kennedy assassination. This is in addition to the expansive plot that often accompanies such claims. Yet would a successful plot include the need to el…
TPAAK.COM

Richard Charnin
Suicides and accidents and heart attacks are not suspicious? Carmine Savastano, you have lost your last chance to redeem yourself. YOU ARE TOTALLY WITHOUT A CLUE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO POSTING YOUR COMMENTS ON MY BLOG FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE THAT FACT.

Carmine Savastano
No unless there is evidence or someone bothers to regard the medical report to prove it. Not because you claim it. Even in capital letters. Please do, then something might seem reasonable on your blog.

Richard Charnin
Judyth is right. Coroner reports are a RED HERRING. It is the spiking of deaths during periods when the individuals died before they were called to testify that is apparently beyond the capacity of Carmine’s intellect to process – like the deaths of 7 TOP FBI officials:

Improbable Timing of Witness Deaths https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/jfk-witness-deaths-7-fbi-officials-due-to-testify-at-hsca/

Suspicious deaths spiked in 1964 (Warren Commission) and in 1977-78 (HSCA). In 1977, seven top FBI officials due to testify at HSCA died in a 6 month period, five from heart attacks, one from an accidental gunshot and one from an accidental fall.

7706 LOUIS NICHOLS Former #3, responsible for JFK investigation; heart attack
7706 REGIS KENNEDY Confiscated films of assassination; heart attack
7708 JAMES CADIGAN Document expert; died from a fall in his home
7708 ALAN BELMONT Liaison to Warren Commission; natural causes
7710 J.M. ENGLISH Head of Forensic Sciences Laboratory; heart attack
7710 DONALD KAYLOR Fingerprint chemist;bogus Oswald “print” on rifle; heart attack 7711 WILLIAM SULLIVAN Headed Division 5 (Counter-espionage); Gunshot accident

The timing of the 7 deaths is powerful proof of a conspiracy beyond any doubt, since it is focused on a specific group within a very short time interval. The HSCA did not mention any of these deaths in its claim that the London Sunday Times actuary’s 100,000 trillion to one odds of 18 material witness deaths in three years was invalid.

For each of the four scenarios, we calculate probabilities assuming a) 7 heart attacks, b) the official cause of deaths (5 heart attacks, 2 accidents); c) 4 homicides and 3 heart attacks; d) 7 homicides. The official cause of death may not be the actual cause; heart attacks and cancer can be induced. In order to calculate the probability of witness deaths we need the mortality rates for each cause of death.

 
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JFK: Impossible timings

JFK: Impossible timings

Richard Charnin
Jan.21, 2015

JFK Blog Posts
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Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy

I. Oswald Superman: from the 6th floor to the 2nd in 75 seconds https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

Oswald told Will Fritz of the Dallas PD that he was “out with Bill Shelley in front” of the TSBD. The Fritz notes were not mentioned by the Warren Commission and were hidden from the public until 1997.

If Oswald was lying to Fritz, what was his motive? After all, he already had an alibi: he was seen on the second floor 90 seconds after the shooting by TSBD manager Roy Truly and policeman Marion Baker. He was holding a coke and not out of breath. If Oswald was not on the 6th floor, why would he not be out front watching the motorcade? And how would he know Bill Shelley was out in front unless he saw him there? https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/10137/

Carolyn Arnold, a secretary working for the Texas School Book Depository, provided support for Lee Harvey Oswald’s alibi. She said that he was on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm, five minutes before the assassination. http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

II. Oswald Superman: Walks 0.8 mile in two minutes to shoot Tippit https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/jfk-did-oswald-shoot-tippit-eyewitnesses-no-warren-commission-yes/

According to at least 10 eyewitnesses, J.D. Tippit was shot dead no later than 1:06pm. But the Warren Commission ignored the witnesses and claimed that Tippit was killed at 1:16. Since Oswald was seen standing outside his apartment at 1:04 (0.8 miles from the scene of the murder) he had to run 24 mph to get to the scene. The track record for a mile is 3.7 minutes (16 mph). The Warren Commission had no choice but to add ten minutes to the time of the murder to get Oswald to the scene in 12 minutes. But that was standard operating procedure for the Commission; witness testimony and evidence which proved Oswald’s innocence was ignored or altered.

This is the SMOKING GUN: https://22novembernetwork.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/the-murder-of-j-d-tippit-by-s-r-dusty-rohde/comment-page-1/
The insert shown above is taken from the actual Certificate of Death, Tippit’s name was misspelled, but the document clearly shows the time and date of death. There is no way Lee Harvey Oswald shot a “living” J.D. Tippit at either 1:15 or 1:16pm. That statement by the Warren Commission was an outright lie. A lie expressed for the sole purpose of deceiving the American public. The Warren Commission had the Tippit documents in their hands, they knew the “legal” time of death, they knew Oswald couldn’t have shot Tippit at 1:15 or 1:16pm, and yet they still chose to tell the lie.

III. Oswald Quickfinger: The Double-bang https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/jfk-math-analysis-witness-testimony-of-time-interval-between-shots/

In the article The Guns of Dealey Plaza John S. Craig lists 22 individuals who testified they heard a “double bang”: the final two of three shots occurred nearly simultaneously. http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/11th_Issue/guns_dp.html.

If Oswald was the only shooter there would have been at least 2.3 seconds between shots, assuming he used the telescopic sight found on the Mannlicher Carcano.

The Warren Commission’s official conclusion concerning the “Number of Shots” states that all the shots were fired from the sixth-floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building. The Commission stated that a consensus among witnesses at the scene was that three shots were fired, though some heard two shots and others heard four and as many as eight shots.

Numerous descriptions of the last two shots by so many witnesses leaves doubt as to whether Oswald was physically capable of firing both of the shots that so many characterized as being shot almost simultaneously, if not “automatically.”

It was the Commission’s belief that (a) one shot passed through the President’s neck and caused all of Governor Connally’s wounds, (b) a subsequent shot hit the President’s head, (c) no other shot struck any part of the automobile, and (d) three shots were fired with one missing, though which one missed is unknown. “Two bullets probably caused all the wounds suffered by President Kennedy and Governor Connally. Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of seven seconds.”

FBI tests for the Warren Commission found that a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 required a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots. The HSCA made tests in which the telescopic sight was removed to see how fast the rifle could be fired without aiming. Its tests resulted in firings of 1.65, 1.75, and just over two seconds. The only way that the rifle could be fired this quickly was to simply maneuver the bolt action as fast as possible and shoot. The tests were not done with Oswald’s Mannlicher Carcano. Whether Oswald’s rifle was in a condition where it could be tested is questionable since “the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we tended to move the rifle off the target,” according to one of the Warren Commission testers”.

IV. 100,000 to 1 odds that acoustic shot timings matched Z-film http://brane-space.blogspot.cz/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html

The conclusion of four separate shots then coincides with 4 impacts visible in the Z-film, and the reactions therein. The acoustic impulses were retested in a 2001 investigation (‘Echo Correlation Analysis and the Acoustic Evidence in the Kennedy Assassination Revisited’ ) by D.B. Thomas and published in the Journal Science and Justice., Vol. 41, p. 21, 2001. The impulses are shown below, with the four highest amplitude peaks associated with rifle muzzle blasts (an association I will justify subsequently):

Thomas treated both the test evidence and actual data from the original date- aware of the same misgivings that Sabato now claims. Thomas’ re- test evidence was obtained in August, 1978 when a test shot was fired in Dallas’ Dealey Plaza to provide a fiducial mark for the putative Grassy Knoll shot – such that it could be compared with the impulse record obtained on Nov. 22, 1963 and also how this mark lined up to events recorded on the Zapruder film. Thus, the test evidence (mainly in terms of echoes and echo delay times received via an echogram from a test shot (See Fig. 1) is essentially used to confirm the microphone recording & positions for the shots made on the actual date, by resort to microphones placed at the same (or approximately so) locations.

The hypergeometric p-function was used for differing weighting factor distribution sets, H{M..N, n, i} to assess significance or likelihood of occurrence. It’s based on the no. of echo ‘windows’ M, with each spanning 190msec (total time) at 2msec width per window and n for assigned impulses in the evidence pattern, with ‘i’ the “coincident impulses” or those matching the original (11/22/63)evidence and the test result. The question was whether a succession of first impulses of given amplitude could be manifesting a signal or was merely random noise. Thomas found that for a given configuration for 2 motorcycles at designated locations, 1 for (GK) shooter location and one for alignment of muzzle blasts with one pair of echoes, the p -value is 0.000012 or about 1 in 100,000 against the null hypothesis, i.e. that the impulses were from random noise. An alternative way to put this is that the odds are 100.000 to 1 in favor of the impulses comprising actual rifle shots.

V: Improbable Timing of Witness Deaths https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/jfk-witness-deaths-7-fbi-officials-due-to-testify-at-hsca/

Suspicious deaths spiked in 1964 (Warren Commission) and in 1977-78 (HSCA). In 1977, seven top FBI officials due to testify at HSCA died in a 6 month period, five from heart attacks, one from an accidental gunshot and one from an accidental fall.

7706 LOUIS NICHOLS Former #3, responsible for JFK investigation; heart attack
7706 REGIS KENNEDY Confiscated films of assassination; heart attack
7708 JAMES CADIGAN Document expert; died from a fall in his home
7708 ALAN BELMONT Liaison to Warren Commission; natural causes
7710 J.M. ENGLISH Head of Forensic Sciences Laboratory; heart attack
7710 DONALD KAYLOR Fingerprint chemist;bogus Oswald “print” on rifle; heart attack
7711 WILLIAM SULLIVAN Headed Division 5 (Counter-espionage); Gunshot accident

The timing of the 7 deaths is powerful proof of a conspiracy beyond any doubt, since it is focused on a specific group within a very short time interval. The HSCA did not mention any of these deaths in its claim that the London Sunday Times actuary’s 100,000 trillion to one odds of 18 material witness deaths in three years was invalid.

For each of the four scenarios, we calculate probabilities assuming a) 7 heart attacks, b) the official cause of deaths (5 heart attacks, 2 accidents); c) 4 homicides and 3 heart attacks; d) 7 homicides. The official cause of death may not be the actual cause; heart attacks and cancer can be induced. In order to calculate the probability of witness deaths we need the mortality rates for each cause of death.

Some WC defenders have suggested that FBI officials are more prone to heart attacks. Let’s eviscerate that canard right here by executing a sensitivity analysis to determine the overall probabilities assuming 20 FBI were sought to testify and 7 died (5 from heart attacks, 2 from accidents). We run three scenarios of FBI heart attack mortality 1) equal, 2) double and 3) triple the overall population mortality rate. The results are clear. In the worst case scenario (FBI heart attack mortality is triple the population) the probability of the 7 deaths is 1 in 100 billion.

1977 mortality rates

0.004137 Heart Attack
0.000488 Accident
0.000092 Homicide
0.003094 Official weighted rate: 5 heart attacks, 2 accidents
0.001826 Speculative weighted rate: 4 homicides, 3 heart attacks

The probability of n deaths among N witnesses over T years, given mortality rate R, is P = POISSON(n, T*N*R, false)

FOUR SCENARIOS
Assume N=20 FBI were called to testify at HSCA.

Scenario I: 7 heart attacks (reference illustration)
P= 3.95E-14= POISSON(7,.5*20*.004137, false)
Probability: 1 in 25 trillion
Assume an impossible 100 FBI were called to testify.
P= 3.6E-10 or 1 in 2.7 billion.

Official Cause of Death
Scenario II: 5 heart attacks, 2 accidents

P= 5.23E-15= POISSON(7,.5*20*.003094, false)
Probability: 1 in 190 trillion

Speculative Scenario III: 3 heart attacks, 4 homicides
P= 1.32E-16= POISSON(7,.5*20*.001826, false)
Probability: 1 in 7000 trillion

Speculative Scenario IV: 7 homicides
P= 1.11E-25= POISSON(7,.5*20*.000092, false)
Probability: 1 in 9 trillion trillion


All 7 heart 5 heart/ 3 heart/
FBI attacks 2 accid. 4 murders 7 murders

08. 6.63E-17 8.72E-18 2.18E-19 1.81E-28
20. 3.95E-14 5.23E-15 1.32E-16 1.11E-25
30. 6.61E-13 8.79E-14 2.23E-15 1.89E-24
100 2.61E-09 3.61E-10 9.56E-12 8.61E-21


THREE SCENARIOS: FBI heart attack mortality vs. national rate

Assume 20 FBI officials were called to testify at HSCA. Even if FBI heart attack mortality is triple the national rate, the probability of 7 deaths in 6 months is still infinitesimal: 1 in 100 billion.

Probability Sensitivity Analysis

...Rate.........Probability (assumption)
1- 0.003094 5.23E-15 1 in 190 trillion (FBI heart attack rate equal to national)
2- 0.006049 5.54E-13 1 in 1.8 trillion (FBI 2X national)
3- 0.009004 8.70E-12 1 in 100 billion (FBI 3X national)

These graphs are mathematical proof of a conspiracy.

 
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JFK: Altering and Hiding the Evidence

JFK: Altering the Evidence

Richard Charnin
Jan.16, 2015
Updated: Sept.9, 2015
JFK Blog Posts
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This is a quick summary of links to the massive evidence that has been altered and hidden.

1. The bullet which entered JFK’s back 5.5″ below the collar never exited. Therefore the Warren Commission’s Single Bullet Theory is a total fraud.
FBI O’Neill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzhKy-O4T4
FBI Sibert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNZBfPkbPk
Gerald Ford: http://www.jfklancer.com/Ford-Rankin.html

2. The Zapruder film was altered to hide the fatal head wound and limo stop.
Doug Horne: http://vimeo.com/102327635

3. Dealey Plaza witness testimony was misrepresented.
Testimony: http://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/artScience.htm
McAdams: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/jfk-dealey-plaza-witnesses-john-mcadams-strange-list/
Witnesses: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=65

4. The medical evidence was hidden and altered.
Dr. Charles Crenshaw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXZ87gOlKkM
Doug Horne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LohiQe2LBg

5. The Oswald backyard photos were proven to be fakes: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/jfk-mathematical-proof-that-the-oswald-backyard-photos-were-faked/

6. The Altgens6 TSBD photo showing Oswald in the doorway was altered: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

7. The Warren Commission claimed Oswald shot Tippit (who died instantly) at 1:16pm. But at least 10 eyewitnesses said it was no later than 1:06. Since Oswald was seen outside his apartment at 1:04 (0.9 miles from the scene of the murder), the WC had to extend the time of Tippit’s death. The Smoking Gun: Tippit was declared dead at the hospital at 1:16. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/jfk-how-will-the-warren-commission-apologists-explain-the-tippit-timeline/

8.  The HSCA ignored 100 Convenient Suspicious and Unnatural Deaths. The HSCA statistician testified that the witness universe was “unknowable”. But we KNOW that there were 552 Warren Commission witnesses. We can ESTIMATE the number of witnesses called to testify at the Garrison/Shaw trial, the Church Senate Intelligence hearings and HSCA.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/jfk-witnesses-a-closer-look-at-the-hsca-list-of-21-deaths/

9. Simkin JFK Index: Includes 656 JFK-related important figures, witnesses and possible conspirators. Seventy died suspiciously. Forty-four deaths were ruled unnatural, including 22 homicides. http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKindex.htm

JFK Index……Total…Suspicious deaths
Key figures…..190……10….5.3%
Witnesses……..86……19…22.1%
Researchers….206……..5….2.4%
Conspirators…174……36…20.7%
Total…………..656……70…10.7%

The probability of 44 unnatural deaths among the 656 witnesses from 1964-78 is P= E-41 (one in 1 trillion trillion trillion). The probability of 22 homicides is P= 6.4E-24 (one in 150 billion trillion). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/12/25/jfk-related-unnatural-and-suspicious-deaths-in-the-jfk-calc-spreadsheet-and-simkins-jfk-index/

10: London Sunday Times Actuary: Calculated 100,000 trillion to one odds against 18 material witnesses dying within three years of the assassination. The HSCA statistician falsely claimed that it was impossible to calculate the odds. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/jfk-mysterious-witness-deaths-london-sunday-times-and-hsca-cover-up/

11. Warren Commission: did not disclose that Oswald worked for the ONI, CIA and FBI: http://www.federaljack.com/de-classified-document-admits-lee-harvey-oswald-was-cia/

12. 7.65 Mauser: first identified by four DPD; later morphed to a Carcano. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/gtds_2.html

13. The Secret Service: removed JFK protection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL9Ezr_V3I8

14. Acoustic Evidence: proved a Grassy Knoll shooter: http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html http://themysteriesofdealeyplaza.blogspot.com/2011/01/let-there-be-sound-acoustics-evidence.html

15. Roger Craig (Dallas sheriff): The Warren Commission ignored his testimony that he saw Oswald get into a Rambler at 12:45. Captain Will Fritz lied when he testified that Craig was not in his office when Oswald confirmed that the Rambler was owned by Ruth Paine. The WC contrived the fiction that Oswald left the TSBD three minutes after the assassination and got in a bus and cab. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WTKaP.html

16. Oswald palm prints: planted at the morgue: http://miketgriffith.com/files/palmprint.htm

17. Mac Wallace: fingerprints on the 6th floor of the TSBD were hidden: http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster68/lob68-mac-wallace.pdf

18. Carolyn Arnold: A TSBD employee, was never interviewed by the Warren Commission. She stated in an FBI interview that she saw Oswald on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25, five minutes before the assassination. http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

19. Mary Moorman’s “Badgeman” Polaroid photo
Polaroid photos were harder to forge and alter than other films because of their instantaneous development. The Moorman photo serves as a Rosetta Stone which has allowed researchers to determine whether the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore films depict altered frames. The photo contradicts the Zapruder Film and shows it has been altered. The field of view shows her to be in one place while the Zapruder film has her in another place several feet away.https://jfkplayersandwitnesses.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/the-mary-moorman-photo/


Favorite Books

Evidence
Inside the ARRB
Crossfire
Hit List
They Killed our President
Survivors Guilt
Who’s Who in JFK Assassination
Reclaiming Science: The JFK Conspiracy

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Rush to Judgment
Forgive My Grief
On the Trail of the Assassins
JFK and the Unspeakable
The Last Investigation
Accessories After the Fact
Best Evidence
Last Word
Cover-up

History
JFK: The CIA, Vietnam and the Plot to Assassinate JFK
The Man Who Killed JFK
LBJ: The Mastermind
David Ferrie
Dr. Mary’s Monkey
Me and Lee
Mary’s Mosaic
Echo from Dealey Plaza
Oswald and the CIA
Reclaiming Parkland
The Men on the 6th floor
Into the Nightmare
Girl on the Stairs
Nightmare in Dallas

 
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JFK: Debunking Emmy-award winning “researcher” Dale Myers

Richard Charnin
Jan. 15, 2015
Updated: March 14,2015

JFK: Debunking Emmy-award winning “researcher” Dale Myers

JFK Blog Posts
Look inside the book:
Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy

Dale Myers is a computer animator/author who has attempted to prove that the Warren Commission report is accurate in claiming that Oswald was the lone assassin who also killed officer J.D. Tippit. This post will show that Myers’ “proofs” are fraudulent and only confirm the overwhelming evidence that the WC report is a massive work of fiction.

1) BADGE MAN. Myers claims that the “Badge man” photo of a shooter at the Grassy Knoll is not authentic. But photographic experts at MIT determined that it was. http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/badgeman_3.htm

https://jfkplayersandwitnesses.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/the-mary-moorman-photo/
Polaroid photos like Ms. Moorman’s are/were harder to forge and alter than other films taken that day because of their instantaneous development. It is for this reason that the Moorman photo serves as a Rosetta Stone which has allowed researchers to determine whether the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore films depict altered frames. Moorman’s photograph contradicts the Zapruder Film and shows that we have been seeing altered copies of that film. Mary Moorman’s photographic field of view shows her to be in one place while the Zapruder film has her in another place several feet away. She would literally have to be in 2 places at the same time for this to be!

Astute researchers have also pointed out the fact that the Zapruder Film shows Ms. Moorman wearing white shoes while other films of the day’s events show her in dark shoes! Additionally, the Zapruder Film shows Mary Moorman on the grass of the plaza, while she recalled stepping out into the street, itself. A man in the back of a pick-up truck in the stopped traffic on the opposite side of the road from JFK’s limo has also been edited out of copies of Zapruder Film, as well. Finally, further contradicting the authenticity of the Zapruder Film are the accounts of 59 separate witnesses who recalled that the limo stopped or came to a near stop (so that the shooters could finish off JFK). These facts establish that the Zapruder Film cannot be used to accurately time or assess the assassination since it was clearly altered.

The photonic imaging research of former US Steel engineer, Tom Wilson, also uncovered evidence that reprints of the Moorman photo may have been altered to conceal a right rear baseball sized exit wound on JFK’s head. Below is a photo of Wilson’s photo analysis of JFK’s head from the Moorman photo:

2) THE MAGIC BULLET ANIMATION. Myers claims that his computer-generated video analysis proves the Single Bullet Theory. But in this video, Bob Harris proves that Myers incorrectly positioned JFK and Connally to falsify the path of the bullet:

But the video is a moot point. The bullet which struck JFK in the back 5.5″ below the collar never exited according to two FBI agents who attended the autopsy.. There goes Myers’ bogus Emmy Award winning graphics which supposedly “proved” the discredited, laughable Single Bullet Theory. It’s a fraud.
O’Neill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzhKy-O4T4
Sibert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNZBfPkbPk

3) ACOUSTIC EVIDENCE. Myers claims that the acoustic evidence provided to the HSCA which proved that shots were fired from the Grassy Knoll was invalid. But acoustic experts, mathematicians and physicists prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was at least one shooter in front of the limo. http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html http://themysteriesofdealeyplaza.blogspot.com/2011/01/let-there-be-sound-acoustics-evidence.html

4) THE TIPPIT SHOOTING. Myers wrote “With Malice” claiming to prove that Oswald killed Tippit. It is another fraud perpetrated on the public by this classic Warren Commission apologist. Simple arithmetic proves that Oswald could not have shot Tippit. According to all of the witnesses, Tippit was killed no later than 1:06pm. But the Warren Commission said ALL the witnesses were mistaken and claimed he was shot at 1:16. The WC needed to give Oswald enough time to get to the site as it was 0.9 miles from where he was seen standing outside his apartment at 1:04pm. How will Warren Commission apologists (and Dale Myers) explain the obvious lies? https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/jfk-how-will-the-warren-commission-apologists-explain-the-tippit-timeline/

Here is documented proof from S.r. Dusty Rohde. It is the SMOKING GUN which proves Oswald’s innocence. https://22novembernetwork.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/the-murder-of-j-d-tippit-by-s-r-dusty-rohde/

Government agencies have tried every which way to represent Lee Harvey Oswald as “running” away from shooting of the President, with a weapon, at the Tippit murder scene and on foot. Why? Because they needed to demonstrate “Motive, Means and Opportunity” to charge Oswald as Tippit’s killer AND link him to the assassination. The Warren Commission declared that Oswald shot J.D. Tippit at 1:15 or 1:16pm.

Well let me tell all of you something. If Lee Harvey Oswald shot J.D. Tippit at either 1:15 or 1:16pm, he shot a dead man! Oswald shot a dead man, because J.D. Tippit’s“legal and lawful” time of death, on his Death Certificate, recognized by any court in this country….is 1:15pm(11)! Yes, you read right, 1:15pm.

The insert shown above is taken from the actual Certificate of Death, Tippit’s name was misspelled, but the document clearly shows the time and date of death. There is no way Lee Harvey Oswald shot a “living” J.D. Tippit at either 1:15 or 1:16pm. That statement by the Warren Commission was an outright lie. A lie expressed for the sole purpose of deceiving the American public. The Warren Commission had the Tippit documents in their hands, they knew the “legal” time of death, they knew Oswald couldn’t have shot Tippit at 1:15 or 1:16pm, and yet they still chose to tell the lie.

J.D. Tippit could not have been shot at 1:16, his legal and lawful time of death is as recorded, 1:15pm. Now why does that matter? Before Tippit was pronounced “dead” at the hospital, he had to be removed from the ambulance, wheeled to the emergency room, transferred off of the ambulance gurney onto the hospital bed. Doctors had to do a quick scan, then attempt to clear an airway and possibly administer CPR in the attempt to save Tippit’s life(12), all “before” declaring the man officially dead.

Parking the ambulance, unloading the gurney with Tippit’s body, wheeling it to the ER and Doctor’s and Nurses attempting to save Tippit’s life would have taken at the bare minimum, one minute……more likely two. Now, starting with Tippit’s “lawful” time of death….let’s do a little math. Subtract the “one minute” from 1:15, and you have a time of 1:14. Between 1:14 and 1:15, Tippit arrived at Methodist Hospital and staff attempted to save his life. It’s not rocket science folks….just simple math.

GIVEN A) THE MAGIC BULLET NEVER EXITED, B) THE WARREN COMMISSION LIED ABOUT THE TIME OF TIPPIT’S DEATH TO FRAME OSWALD AND C) THE HSCA ACOUSTIC EVIDENCE WHICH PROVED THERE WAS A GRASSY KNOLL GUNMAN… WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE MYERS’ CLAIM THAT THE BADGE MAN PHOTO IS NOT AUTHENTIC? RATHER, WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT THE PHOTO IS AUTHENTIC BASED ON MYER’S TRACK RECORD OF DECEIT.

Other articles debunking Myers: http://miketgriffith.com/files/malice.htm http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c:animania

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JFK: Exposing another disinformationist on Facebook

Richard Charnin
Jan.14, 2015
Updated: Jan.19, 2015
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In response to my Facebook post exposing Carmine Savastano, another troll pops up. They are like a swarm of bees. Add this one to the list: John Iacoletti. He exhibits all the trademarks of a troll:
1) ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED AND 2) MAKE INANE COMMENTS WHICH DISPLAY A STUNNING IGNORANCE OF THE FACTS.

John Iacoletti surely knows that he is just a shill. He parrots John McAdams, the Godfather of Warren Commission defenders and disinformationists (see below). Everything he said has been refuted and covered. He is just copying from the Lone Nutter playbook. That is obvious. It is truly amazing that he would make such a fool of himself with his outrageous comments.

This guy cannot be a quantitative programmer. He does not understand 1) the difference between a poll and descriptive mortality statistics from official sources, 2) does not know that heart attacks and cancer can be induced, 3) does not realize that national historical mortality rates are age-adjusted, 4) does not comprehend the mathematical fact that tripling the NATIONAL homicide rate (since 51 of 122 suspicious JFK-related deaths took place in Dallas) has virtually no effect on the probability of 34 JFK-related homicides in a 15 year period. IT IS STILL 1 IN 13,000 TRILLION.

Iacoletti has REVEALED himself in no uncertain terms.He is the POSTER CHILD for JFK disinformationists. The actual Facebook thread follows this summary.

John, you have just revealed your agenda to disinform and discredit. As you claim to be engineer at IBM, I would not expect that from you. Let’s take them one at a time.

1- You question ONE of 122 suspicious deaths and really believe that discredits my analysis? In choosing Benavides, you give yourself away; that is the one death that all Lone Nutters refer to in their feeble attempts to discredit my analysis. You are using the same playbook. I got Benavides from the Penn Jones original list – and he was on Jim Marrs list of 103 names in the original “Crossfire”. Even if they were wrong about the date of Benavides’ death, it is just ONE name out of 122 that you and your ilk keep bringing up. Very telling.

2- You claim that I do not take age into account. I gave you a link to National mortality rates for various causes of death 1963-1978 which are clearly identified as age-weighted. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc&usp=sheets_web#gid=41

And here are the 122 deaths – including the age of the suspicious heart attack victims. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc&usp=sheets_web#gid=55

3- You ask: how can a heart attack be induced? Are you that naive? Simple. By suffocation with a pillow – and other means. http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-targeted-assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancer/5326382

4. You ask: how can cancer be injected? Unbelievable. Have you read “Me and Lee”? Are you aware that humans were used as guinea pigs and injected with cancer viruses developed to kill Fidel Castro? Are you aware that Jack Ruby claimed he was injected with cancer a few days after he was granted a new trial? And that he died 29 days later due to cancer?

5. You ask: “Why do you assume that JFK witnesses as a group are a representative sample of the population and can be compared directly to total US mortality schedules? For example it’s not that remarkable that mobsters are murdered at a greater rate than the general population, whether they have anything to do with JFK or not. It’s not that notable that elderly people have accidents and heart attacks at a rate higher than the general population. There is very little age info in your tables”.

That is a canard. You failed to read the post. The victims ranged from the 20s to the 60s. I gave the ages of the heart attack victims. Billy Lovelady died of a heart attack at age 41. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc&usp=sheets_web#gid=1

So you are saying that the suspicious deaths of 7 top FBI officials (5 heart attacks, 2 accidents) in a 6 month period in 1977 who were due to testify at HSCA was just a 1 in 200 trillion coincidence? https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/jfk-witness-deaths-7-fbi-officials-due-to-testify-athet-hsca/

I provided the link to the source data for age-weighted mortality rates from the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics, but you did not bother to look at the spreadsheet: I gave you the mortality rates for the general population and multiplied by 3 to account for the fact that over 50 of the 122 witnesses died in the Dallas area which has a higher death rate then the general population. Even after TRIPLING THE NATIONAL HOMICIDE RATE, the probability of 34 homicides in fifteen years among the 122 witness is 7.6E-17 or 1 in 13,000 trillion. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc&usp=sheets_web#gid=74

I even gave you a spreadsheet to calculate the probabilities yourself by inputting mortality rates (R), number of unnatural deaths (n) for a selected number of witnesses (N) and time period (T): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc&usp=sheets_web#gid=78

Your repeated questions and comments indicate BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that you are just another sophisticated troll with an agenda. I know that you are not stupid. I doubt that you are ignorant. BUT YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS SEEKER OF THE TRUTH. YOUR COMMENTS AND REPEATED QUESTIONS WERE MEANT TO DISCREDIT MY WORK. I HAVE RESPONDED ACCORDINGLY.

John replied:
Richard’s methodology is flawed. He’s taking a list of 122 “suspicious” deaths that he got from elsewhere, without doing any verification or validation of any kind (the presence of Eddie Benavides on his list proves that), and comparing the causes of death with mortality rates for the entire United States. He has no inkling that his 122 is not a representative sample of the United States. He doesn’t adjust or account for age, weight, smoking, lifestyle, diet, occupation, and other known factors for cancer and heart disease in any way. He assumes without evidence that it’s even possible to induce a sudden cancer death via injection, or to induce a heart-attack in such a way that it’s undetectable. He doesn’t consider, for example, that mobsters might be murdered at a higher rate that the general population. He just waves his hand and his equations and declares therefore that X number of these people were murdered because statistics. That is junk science at its finest. Then when questions like this are raised, he doesn’t attempt in any way to address the issues, answer the questions, or incorporate feedback in any way, like a real scientist would do. Instead he insults you, calls you a troll, and avoids the questions. He then will challenge you to buy his book, which he is busy self-promoting all over Facebook pretty much every day.

Richard Charnin:
Not a representative sample? Wow. Of course not. It is a selected group of JFK-related witnesses who died unnaturally. This is not a poll. You have completely ignored everything I posted regarding mortality rates. I thought you were a smart guy. Was I wrong.

I suggest you take this up with Richard Belzer (“Hit List”), Jim Marrs (“Crossfire”), Craig Roberts (“JFK: The Dead Witnesses” and Philip Stahl (Brane-space). Penn Jones (“Forgive my Grief 1-4”) is turning over in his grave. You have just made a total fool of yourself with that asinine response.

You still believe heart attacks and cancers cannot be induced after I have showed you the evidence? You are amazingly obtuse in your arrogance and self-induced ignorance. You want me to verify 122 deaths by providing official documents? You really think that anyone would respond to that ridiculous request? I ALREADY GAVE YOU THE OFFICIAL, RULED CAUSES OF 122 DEATHS. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=1
BUT YOU DISMISS IT IN WITH YOUR ARROGANCE.

YOU ARE LOOKING TO WASTE MY TIME WITH SUCH AN ASININE DEMAND. YOU ARE SO TRANSPARENT.
YOU ARE INSULTING THE INTELLIGENCE OF EVERYONE READING YOUR TRIPE. You are now officially an INTERNET LAUGHINGSTOCK just like your mentor John McAdams whose DISINFORMATIONIST PLAYBOOK you are shamelessly using..

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Original Facebook Thread

John Iacoletti
I totally see the rantings of a trolling disinformationist. But his name is Charnin. It seems like you don’t understand probability any better than the appropriate use of your caps lock key. Also, why are you posting this diatribe here to a person who isn’t even a member of this group?
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Richard Charnin
John Iacoletti, you have just revealed your ignorance and complicity. You call ME a disinformationist? Now I pass the challenge on to you. Go ahead, debunk my work with specifics. I dare you to even try..
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Richard Charnin
GO AHEAD John Iacoletti, DO IT! No generalities, I want to see you SPECIFICALLY comment on the CONTENT. Your comment about the CAPS lock is PATHETIC. It is typical drivel from one who does not care to deal with the CONTENT.
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John Iacoletti
I noticed you didn’t answer the question about why you’re badmouthing a person who isn’t even in this group. Where can I find your raw data on the people whose deaths you studied (names, ages, causes of death)? I don’t see this in your spreadsheets or articles….See More
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Richard Charnin
I did not post this TO a person. I posted this to everyone else to show how pathetic disinformationist trolls are. Sorry if you object.
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John Iacoletti
…and while I’m here, does anybody really care how Richard’s ebook is ranking every single day?
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John Iacoletti
I think perhaps your biggest flaw is your assumption that JFK witnesses as a group are a representative sample of the population and can be compared directly to total US mortality schedules.
Yesterday at 1:37pm · Like

Richard Charnin
You will have to research that for yourself. You did not read my posts. You can start with these books: Hit list (Richard Belzer, David Wayne), Crossfite (Jim Marrs), They Killed Our President (Jesse Ventura, Dick Russel,David Wayne), Dead Witnesses (Roberts), Who’s Who in the JFK Assassination (Benson), Forgive my Grief (Penn Jones), JFK Index (John Simkin). I give all the links in my blog posts or in the JFK Calc spreadsheet. Now go ahead and try your best to defend Carmine.
Yesterday at 1:51pm · Edited · Like

Richard Charnin
People want know which are the most popular conspiracy books. I gave them the list. Sorry if you object. I apologize for including my book on the list.
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Richard Charnin
And while I’m at it, does anybody give a damn what you think?
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John Iacoletti
“Research it yourself” is a copout. You’re publishing summary tables without disclosing your raw data. Why should anybody take your word for it? That’s bad science, Richard.
Yesterday at 1:45pm · Like

Richard Charnin
But I will defend the right of you to make a fool of yourself, just like Carmine and 5 LNs who gave my book a one star rating on Amazon. Why don’t you join the crew?

John Iacoletti
Not even attempting to address questions or objections to your method is bad science, Richard. Why don’t you answer the questions? Arrogance is not an answer. Changing the subject is not an answer.
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Delbert Grady
This is why we can’t have nice things…
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Freda Ann Dillard
Richard, I find it interesting that you resort to name-calling for anyone who questions you. For that reason alone, I have no interest in anything you have to say just as I do with anyone who resorts to such behaviour.
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Richard Charnin
Freda Ann Dillard, fine with me. You have no idea of what I have had to put up with through the years of being attacked unfairly. So you have no justification in making that statement without knowing the facts. Name-calling? Come on.
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Richard Charnin
Freda Ann Dillard, just who started the ad hominems in this thread?
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Freda Ann Dillard
You know what they say…. if you can’t stand the heat….
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Richard Charnin
John Iacoletti, you say I did not provide the raw data? Are you serious? What raw data? You sound just like Carmine.Here is all the data, here are all the calculations. And I even tripled the mortality rates for the probability calculations considering…See More
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Richard Charnin
And here are the national mortality rates. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005124.html
Deaths by Major Causes, 1960–2011
INFOPLEASE.COM
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Richard Charnin
The national rates are used to calculate the weighted average JFK mortality rates right here…
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Richard Charnin
Freda Ann Dillard, oh I can take the heat, all right. I WELCOME A SINCERE DESIRE TO DISCUSS MY DATA/ ANALYSIS RATIONALLY.- LIKE THE DATA AND CALCULATIONS IN THESE SUMMARY TABLES…
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Richard Charnin
This is how the probability of JFK-related unnatural deaths is calculated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

John Iacoletti
Thanks for the pointer to the other tabs. You haven’t addressed my objections, which I will state again. Why do you assume that JFK witnesses as a group are a representative sample of the population and can be compared directly to total US mortality…See More
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Richard Charnin
You have not understood what I just said. I calculated probabilities using U.S. mortality rates and TRIPLED those rates to account for the fact that 51 of the 122 suspicious deaths occurred in Dallas, which had double or triple the homicide rate of th…See More
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Richard Charnin
You can do the calculations yourself using this sheet….:
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Richard Charnin
And here are the calculations for various witness groups over various time periods for official and true causes of death. That is a mouthful, yes? So take a close look. I hope that all this puts your mind at ease. I HAVE DONE THE WORK AND CONSIDERED VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE MATHEMATICAL VARIABLES.
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Richard Charnin
John Iacoletti, I have been writing math models all my life. I have three degrees in applied mathematics. Began my career as aa numerical control engineer in the aerospace industry, as a “Quant” on Wall Street working in investment banking/corporate f…See More
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Freda Ann Dillard
Buddy Walthers was killed in the line of duty while trying to apprehend an escaped convict. Another deputy was also wounded.
So, my question is how does this relate to JFK?
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Richard Charnin
You are assuming that the murder had nothing to do with Walther’s knowledge and activities in regard to Ruth Paine and Roger Craig’s testimony. He confirmed Craig’s testimony when he went out to Paine’s house and saw the Rambler. As you know, Roger…See More

Freda Ann Dillard
My dad was a Dallas police officer who had his own role that weekend. He had a heart attack in 1977. He survived which would, thankfully, make him ineligible for this study. He’s also had a brain tumor. Maybe this was all part of the conspiracy also.
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Freda Ann Dillard
Richard, I assume nothing. I look at the facts without trying to make it fit my own agenda… that is if I had an agenda.
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Richard Charnin
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKindex.htm
The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
Read the essential details about the Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Main index menu covering the Important…
SPARTACUS-EDUCATIONAL.COM
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Richard Charnin
That statement about your father was uncalled for and reeks of misplaced sarcasm. I stand by my work. If you have problems with it, I say, go ahead, refute the list of 122 witnesses (and that is a conservative number). And the associated probability calculations.
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Freda Ann Dillard
As I tell my clients who ask, yes, there are some questionable deaths, but if you were alive on November 22, chances are pretty good that you are going to die sometime after.
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Freda Ann Dillard
Richard, you and others expect folks to accept what y’all say just because you say it and, if we don’t, we are made fun of, called names and ridiculed. You have posted so many links here to prove your point that it’s ridiculous. Thank goodness, I have tougher skin than that but then I’m not looking for fame and glory, not to mention that I suck at math.
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Note: several comments followed after I saved the above. The administrator deleted the full thread.

Sensitivity analysis probabilities:10-50 unnatural deaths; 1500-2500 witnesses.

IACOLETTI AND JOHN MCADAMS: TWO PEAS IN A POD.

John Iacoletti appears to be an avid follower of John McAdams. He has apparently copied McAdam’s talking points which I debunked in this post: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/debunking-john-mcadams-debunking-of-jim-marrs-witness-list/

1. MORTALTY RATES
John McAdams, you will never give it up will you? You keep stating things that are absolutely untrue. Like I don’t show the mortality statistics I use. You would see them if you clicked on the link that I provided. Here it is again:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc…

You don’t do your homework, John. Here is the source link for the rates which appear on the sheet whose link I just gave you.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005124.html

2. JM- AGE-ADJUSTED?
OK, Information Please almanac was your source of “expected” deaths. But for the numbers to have any meaning, they would have to be adjusted for age and sex.

2. RC
They were age-adjusted, John. Read the heading. But you fail to comprehend that unnatural deaths are not age-adjusted. A bullet does not know the age of its victim

3. JM- DANGEROUS OCCUPATIONS?
Also, they would need to take into account the fact that a fair number
of people on the list were in more-dangerous-than-average occupations (cops, mobsters).

RC
That is a canard John, Do you mean the 7 top FBI officials who all died within a 6 month period in 1977 just before their scheduled HSCA testimony? Five supposedly died by heart attacks and two by accidents (gunshot mistaken for a deer and a fall)? Very dangerous occupations? What a joke.

I’ve got you dead to rights, John. Now you resort to a pathetic statement about Simkin’s list when they are all relevant. YOU MUST DISPARAGE EVERYONE IN YOUR UNENDING DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN. That the names are relevant is obvious to everyone but you, John.

4. JM – AMATEUR?
Huff and puff all you want. It can’t conceal the fact that you are an amateur, who just doesn’t know what he’s doing.

RC
I’m an amateur? With 3 degrees in mathematics and a lifetime of experience creating quantitative solutions in aerospace/defense (Grumman, Kollsman Instrument), Wall Street Investment Banking (Merrill Lynch White Weld, Smith Barney, E.F. Hutton and a number of foreign banks (Bank of Montreal, Nomura Securities, Algemene Bank) and consumer products manufacturers (Pepsi, Kodak, ATT, etc.). I know who you are. Do you know who I am?

I COULD GO ON AND ON. I CONFIRMED THE LONDON TIMES ACTUARY’S CALCULATION FOR 18 WITNESS DEATHS IN THREE YEARS. THAT’S WHY THE INSURANCE COMPANY PAID HIM THE BIG BUCKS. THAT’S WHY HE PASSED HIS ACTUARIAL EXAMS. OF COURSE, WE NOW KNOW THAT THERE WERE OVER 40 UNNATURAL DEATHS IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/…/jfk-witness-deaths-w…/

I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ONE PROFESSIONAL MATHEMATICIAN OR ACTUARY WHO IS PREPARED TO REFUTE MY ANALYSIS.

JM
It’s not my job to find a professional to refute you. Common sense is enough.

RC
Not your job?. I know, your job is to obfuscate. But why don’t you mosey on down to the Math department at Marquette and ask them to look at my work? And/or contact your buddies Bugliosi and Posner? And/or your life insurance company? Common sense would tell you to do that – if you really want to refute my work.

5. JM – PEER REVIEW?
But if you were any sort of intellectually serious person, you would submit your work to a scholarly journal, and see if it could pass peer review. Deep down, I think you know it could not, and would be laughed at by editors and reviewers.

RC
I have submitted my work to millions. So far, NOT A SINGLE PERSON, INCLUDING YOU, HAS REFUTED IT. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS BEING LAUGHED AT. MEANWHILE, HERE ARE SOME TABLES AND GRAPHICS YOU SHOULD MULL OVER.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/…/jfk-witness-deaths-g…/

6. JM – WITNESS CONNECTIONS?
To actually do the probabilities that Charnin is claiming to do, one would need a list of people “connected to the assassination” BY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA. The fact that some buff claims they have a connection doesn’t really make them “connected.” The list so haphazard that nobody can figure out the population from which it is drawn. But that population clearly includes many thousands of people.

For example, you can get on the list for being an actual witness (but very few people on it are actual witnesses), knowing an actual witness, being part of Dallas law enforcement, being FBI, or CIA, or Secret Service, or anti-Castro Cuban, or a journalist covering the assassination, or an employee of TIME-LIFE, or having any connection at all with the mafia, or just being somebody that some buff author *suspects* of having an connection to the assassination. If *all* of these people had any knowledge dangerous to a conspiracy, that would imply a massive conspiracy that could not possibly be concealed. But the worst thing about all this nonsense is that clearly a lot of people are considered “connected” BECAUSE THEY DIED.

So of course, if one makes a list of “connected” people, and simply having died constitutes a “connection,” the list of “connected” people is going to include a lot of people who died. Charnin doesn’t understand this.

RC
OH, BOY, THE PATHETIC “SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED” ARGUMENT. YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I, JOHN, THAT MANY DID. THERE HAS BEEN A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY TO HIDE THE FACTS – AND YOU ARE A BIG PART OF IT.

John, you say: “But that population clearly includes many thousands of people”. How many John? Do you have a list? Does it include George Washington and Abraham Lincoln who are among the 2479 names in the Warren Commission Index cited by Bugliosi?

The FBI said they interviewed 25,000 witnesses. The probability that 38 would be killed in 3 years is less than 1 in 10 BILLION TRILLION. The probability that 80 would be killed in 15 years is less than 1 in 2 TRILLION.

WHAT A JOKE. THEY ARE CONNECTED BECAUSE THEY DIED? THAT’S WHY THERE IS A LIST! AND WHAT YOU ARE MISSING IS THAT THE REASON THEY ARE ON THE LIST IS NOT THAT THEY DIED, BUT HOW AND WHEN THEY DIED. DUH.

OK, JOHN, GO DOWN THE LIST OF 120 SUSPICIOUS DEATHS- ONE BY ONE. TELL US WHY EACH IS NOT “CONNECTED”.

AND THEN SHOW US YOUR LIST. WHO DO YOU SAY WAS CONNECTED TO THE ASSASSINATION? GIVE US THE NAMES. DO YOU HAVE A LIST?

ALAN BELMONT
ALBERT BOGARD
Allen Sweatt
BETTY MACDONALD
BILL CHESHER
Bill Decker
BILL HUNTER
Bill Waters *
Billy Lovelady
BUDDY WALTHERS
C.D. Jackson
Carlos Prio Soccaras
CHARLES CABELL
Charles Mentesana *
Charles Murret
Charles Nicoletti
CLAY SHAW
Clayton Fowler
CLIFF CARTER
Clint “Lummie” Lewis
Clyde Johnson
Darrell W. Garner
Dave Yaras
DAVID FERRIE
DAVID MORALES *
Delesseps Morrison
Desmond Fitzgerald
Donald Donaldson
DONALD KAYLOR *
Dorothy Hunt
DOROTHY KILGALLEN
EARLE CABELL
Earle Wheeler *
Earlene Roberts
Eddie Benavides
Edward Voebel
Eladio Del Valle
Felix Rodriguez
FLORENCE SMITH
Francis G. Powers *
FRANK MARTIN
GARY UNDERHILL
GEORGE DE MORENSCHILDT
George McGann
GRANT STOCKDALE *
GUY BANISTER
HALE BOGGS
HANK KILLAM
HAROLD RUSSELL
Henry Delaune
Hiram Ingram
HUGH WARD
J. EDGAR HOOVER
J.A. Milteer
J.D. TIPPIT
J.M. ENGLISH *
JACK RUBY
JACK ZANGRETTI
JAMES CADIGAN
James Chaney
James Plumeri *
James Truitt
James Weston
JAMES WORRELL
JIM KOETHE
JIM REEVES *
Jimmy Hoffa
John Crawford
John D. Sullivan *
John Holbrook *
JOHN PAISLEY *
JOHNNY ROSELLI
Joseph C. Ayres
KAREN CARLIN
Karyn Kupcinet
Ken O’Donnell
LEE BOWERS
LEE HARVEY OSWALD
Leonard Pullin *
LISA HOWARD *
Lou Staples
LOUIS NICHOLAS *
Lucien Sarti
MAC WALLACE *
MANUEL ARTIME
Manuel Quesada
MARILYN WALLE
MARY PINCHOT MEYER
MARY SHERMAN
MAURICE GATLIN
Michael Groves *
NANCY CAROLE TYLER
Nicholas Chetta
Paul Dyer *
Paul Helliwell *
Paul Raigorodsky
Phil Geraci III (father)
Ralph Yates *
REGIS KENNEDY
Richard Cain
Robert Alan Surrey
ROBERT F. KENNEDY
ROGER CRAIG
Roland Masferrer
ROSCOE WHITE
ROSE CHERAMIE
Roy Kellerman
Sam Giancana
Sheffield Edwards
Thomas E. Davis
Thomas Karamessines
TOM HOWARD
WARREN REYNOLDS
William H. Cooper
William Harvey
William Pawley *
WILLIAM PITZER
WILLIAM SULLIVAN
WILLIAM WHALEY
Winston Scott *
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