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JFK Assassination: Was Lee Harvey Oswald standing in front of the Texas Book Depository at 12:30?

JFK Assassination: Was Oswald standing in front of the Texas Book Depository at 12:30?

Richard Charnin
Feb. 13, 2014
Updated: Dec.29, 2014

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From the JFK Lancer site: Previously it had been told there were no notes taken from the Oswald interrogations the weekend of President Kennedy’s assassination, but first FBI Agent Hosty found his notes (included in his book) and now the Fritz notes are found. Released by the ARRB 11-20-97. According to Dallas Captain Will Fritz’s notes, Oswald said he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”. http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html

Latest update: Judyth Baker, author of “Me and Lee”, has done a pixel analysis of Oswald’s shirt vs. Lovelady’s which proves Oswald is Doorman. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X2eD2Wl3xSmRHTuE02ntfYkb3ES2Kuo8wl3HHzzAlD8/pub

Smoking Gun?
In Altgens 6, Lovelady appears to be standing on the steps in front. His face was cut out – except for the top right corner. Oswald was standing on the TOP level (1st floor) by the doorway.

David Von Pein writes:
There were TWO arrows placed on the photo at the Warren Commission. The first arrow was placed by Buell Frazier pointing to Doorman standing at the extreme left. Frazier claimed it was Billy Lovelady.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20007 http://oi50.tinypic.com/2lxgvi9.jpg

CE369 was first marked with an arrow by Buell Wesley Frazier on March 11, 1964, at 2 H 242: http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0125b.htm

And that same exhibit was then marked with another arrow by Billy Lovelady himself on April 7, 1964 (at 6 H 338): http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_0174b.htm

Now, from the testimony, it’s a bit unclear as to which witness (Frazier or Lovelady) drew in the dark arrow that is easily visible in CE369. But that visible arrow might very well have been drawn by Frazier and not Lovelady. But I’m not entirely sure of that.

But Joseph Ball’s instructions to Lovelady might give a clue. Ball told Lovelady:
“Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are. …. Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you.”

So, via the above testimony, it’s possible that Lovelady’s arrow is “in the dark” and cannot be easily seen.

I suppose this confusion about who drew the dark arrow pointing to Doorway Man in CE369 will spark some additional controversy concerning the true identity of the man in the TSBD doorway, with some conspiracy theorists possibly wanting to now claim that Billy Lovelady didn’t really mark CE369 at all with an arrow in 1964.

But it’s quite clear to me from the Warren Commission records that BOTH Wesley Frazier AND Billy Lovelady drew separate arrows pointing to the SAME PERSON (Doorway Man) in Commission Exhibit No. 369.

And, of course, as I’ve pointed out in previous posts, there’s also Wes Frazier’s testimony at the 1986 mock trial in London, where Frazier identified Doorway Man as Lovelady.”
… End of Von Pein’s post….

David Von Pein is wrong. Frazier did not identify Lovelady as Doorman. Frazier testified that Lovelady was standing three or four steps BELOW him. Doorman was standing on the TOP level (the first floor), where Frazier was standing. And it is clear that Frazier contradicted himself when he placed the arrow in the white area pointing to Lovelady as Doorman. But he testified FIVE times that Lovelady was standing on the steps in FRONT of him.

Let’s look at Lovelady’s Warren Commission testimony. He clearly states that he was in front, standing on the steps. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm

Mr. LOVELADY – That’s on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, “Well, I’ll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps,” so I went out there.
Mr. BALL – You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL – Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me….
Mr. BALL – What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Stanton.
Mr. BALL – What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL – And Stanton’s first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL – Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes.
Mr. BALL – Were you there when the President’s motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY – Right.


Wesley Frazier confirmed Lovelady was on the steps in 5 interviews from 1963-86. If Lovelady was in front on the steps, he could not be Doorman standing on the top level. Frazier indirectly proved that Oswald was Doorman.
11/22/63 to the DPD
3/1/64 at the WC
2/13/69 at the Garrison/Shaw trial
1978 at HSCA
1986 at the Oswald Mock trial

11/22 Dallas PD (handwritten statement and affidavit)
Standing on the front steps.

3/1/64 Warren Commission
Frazier testified that Lovelady was standing two or three steps below him. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm

Mr. BALL – We have got a picture taken the day of the parade and it shows the President’s car going by.
Now, take a look at that picture. Can you see your picture any place there?
Mr. FRAZIER – No, sir; I don’t, because I was back up in this more or less black area here.
Mr. BALL – I see.

Mr. FRAZIER – Because Billy, like I say, is two or three steps down in front of me.

Mr. BALL – Do you recognize this fellow?
Mr. FRAZIER – That is Billy, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL – Billy?
Mr. FRAZIER – Right
Mr. BALL – Let’s take a marker and make an arrow down that way. That mark is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – That is where you told us you were standing a moment ago.
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – In front of you to the right over to the wall?
Mr. FRAZIER – Yes.
Mr. BALL – Is this a Commission exhibit?
We will make this a Commission Exhibit No. 369.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 369 for identification.)

2/13/69 Clay Shaw/Garrison trial http://www.jfk-online.com/fraziershaw.html

MR. ALCOCK:
Q: Can you see the spot where you were situated when the presidential motorcade came by?
A:Yes,sir,I can.
Q: Will you take this symbol and place it at that location where you were standing?
Q: Mr.Frazier, do you recall who you were with during the presidential motorcade?
A: Yes, sir, I can. When I was standing there at the top of the stairs, I was standing there by a heavyset lady who worked up in our office, her name is Sara, I forget her last name, but she was standing right there beside me when we watched the motorcade.
Q: Do you recall anyone else who may have been with you?
A: Right down in front of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady were standing there.

1978 HSCA interview by Moriarity and Day
Standing right on the steps

1986 Oswald Mock trial
Gerry Spence: “You recall that 23 years later that BNL was standing in front of you. About 4 steps in front of you. Is that correct?”
Frazier: Yes it is.

Billy Lovelady died in Jan. 1979 at the age of 41 by complications from a heart attack. The House Select Committee (HSCA) was in session. Billy did not testify.
The probability of a 41 year old white male dying from a heart attack in 1979 was 1 in 10,000.

Did Officer Baker and Roy Truly encounter Oswald on the 2nd floor? Not according to their initial testimony. http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-lunchroom-encounter-that-never-was.html

http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/09/where-was-oswald-at-1230-pm-on-november.html

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JFK: Evidence the Media Won’t Talk About

Richard Charnin
Nov.22, 2013
Updated: Dec.27

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Why Does the Mainstream Media Refuse to Ask the Real Questions About JFK’s Death? They simply ignore conspiracy facts and make offhanded remarks about conspiracy theories.

For fifty years, the media has refused to analyze the facts. Let’s do the media’s job and look at the evidence.

Truthseekers
-Jim Garrison: “On the Trail of the Assassins” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Garrison
-Mark Lane: “Rush to Judgment” http://marklane.com/
-Oliver Stone: National Press Club http://ffilms.org/jfk-1991/
-Judyth Vary Baker: “Me and Lee”, “David Ferrie”
-Penn Jones: “Strange Deaths” http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKjonesP.htm
-Nigel Turner: “The Men Who Killed Kennedy” http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKturnerN.htm
-Richard E. Sprague: “The Taking of America, 1-2-3 http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html
-Richard Belzer and David Wayne: “Hit List”
-Jim Marrs: “Crossfire” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Marrs
-James Douglass: “JFK and the Unspeakable” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Douglass
-Phil Nelson: LBJ: “The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination”
-Roger Stone: “The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ”
-Barr McClellan: “Blood, Money and Power: How LBJ Killed JFK”
-Jesse Ventura, David Wayne, Dick Russell: “They Killed Our President”
-James Fetzer: “Murder in Dealey Plaza” http://www.assassinationscience.com/booktwo.html http://www.assassinationresearch.com/
-John Simkin:http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKindex.htm
-Michael T. Griffith: http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/research.htm
-Doug Horne: http://assassinationofjfk.net/the-two-npic-zapruder-film-events-signposts-pointing-to-the-films-alteration/

Eyewitness and Photographic
-Secret Service Stand down: Limo protection removed
The Altered Zapruder Film:
The Zapruder Film I: Jack White
The Zapruder Film II: John Costella
The Zapruder Film III: David Mantik

-Badgeman photo: shooting from the Grassy Knoll
-S.M. Holland: eyewitness at the Grassy Knoll
-Tippit Shooting: Witnesses said killed at 1:06; Warren Commission at 1:16
-Oswald photo: standing in the TSBD doorway
-Faked: Oswald Backyard Photos

Medical and Autopsy
-Dr. Charles Crenshaw: JFK Entrance Wounds
-Parkland Doctors: JFK Head wounds
-Autopsy photos: faked to hide gaping head exit wound
-Magic Bullet: Ford moved JFK’s back wound up 5 inches
-JFK Back Wound: No exit, therefore no Magic Bullet

Physical
-7.65 Mauser: three witnesses of rifle on 6th floor of TSBD
-Mac Wallace (LBJ hitman): fingerprint on 6th floor of TSBD
-Acoustics: at least 4 Gunshots, one from the Grassy Knoll
-The Limo: Destruction of the evidence
-Front to Back: Bullet Hole in the Limo Windshield
-Magic Bullet: found on back seat of the Limo
-JFK Witness Deaths: Math Proof of a Conspiracy

Personal Reflections
-Jack Ruby: conspiracy from “top” of the White House
-E.Howard Hunt: it was an LBJ/CIA/FBI “Big Event”
-LBJ mistress: LBJ told her JFK would be killed next day
-Judyth Baker: Oswald girl friend, cancer researcher in New Orleans; “Me and Lee”
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Truthseeker Videos

Jim Garrison: Response to NBC
Jim Garrison: Interview (1988)
Mark Lane: Rush to Judgment
Mark Lane: Warren Commission Testimony
Oliver Stone: National Press Club 1992
Judyth Vary Baker: “Me and Lee”
Penn Jones: Original researcher “Strange Deaths”
Jim Marrs: “Crossfire”
Nigel Turner: “The Men Who Killed Kennedy”
Richard Belzer and David Wayne: “Hit List”
James Douglass: “JFK and the Unspeakable”
Phil Nelson: LBJ: “The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination”
Roger Stone: “The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ”
Jesse Ventura: “They Killed Our President”
James Fetzer: “Murder in Dealey Plaza”
James Fetzer: “JFK at 50: The Who, the How and the Why”
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Secret Service: removing protection

Badgeman: shooting from the Grassy Knoll
http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/badgeman_2.htm File:Badgeman coloured.jpg
Two Men in Dallas-Part I
Roger Craig: 7.65 Mauser on 6th floor of TSBD
S.M. Holland: eyewitness at the Grassy Knoll
The Tippit Shooting:
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/jfk-did-oswald-shoot-tippit-eyewitnesses-no-warren-commission-yes/
http://www.spartacus-educational.com/JFKStippet.htm http://www.garvandwane.com/conspiracy/oswald_and_officer_tippit.html

Oswald in the Doorway:
Altgens photo http://www.oswald-innocent.com/oswald.html http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/ALT_ANNOT.jpg
Faked:Oswald Backyard Photos
Mac Wallace: fingerprint on 6th floor of TSBD http://www.spartacus-educational.com/JFKwallaceM.htm

Parkland Doctors: JFK Head wounds
Parkland Doctors: Charles Crenshaw http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcrenshawC.htm
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8804/backofheadorangesizedwo.jpg

Autopsy: How 5 Investigations Got It Wrong
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/How5Investigations/How5InvestigationsGotItWrong_tabfig.htm http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xPIBrJ17k48/TsrVBRscs5I/AAAAAAAADvo/PXJq0rocmEM/s1600/JFK-autopsy.jpg

The Magic Bullet: Rep. Gerald Ford’s Forgery
Many years after the Warren Commission report, Rep. Gerald Ford stated that he had changed a draft of the Report to indicate that the bullet entered the “base of the back of [Kennedy’s] neck” rather than “his back at a point slightly above the shoulder”. Ford moved JFK’s back wound up 5 inches to match Arlen Spector’s bogus theory but claimed it was not part of a conspiracy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/HSCA-JFK-neck2-6-43.jpg JFK Back Wound: No Exit means No Magic Bullet
The original Bethesda autopsy report, included in the Warren Report, concluded from the data that the bullet had passed above the top of the lung outside the thoracic pleura and, therefore, through the president’s neck. The Commission was not shown the autopsy photographs.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/JFK_posterior_back_wound.jpg Presidential Limousine SS-100-X: Destruction of the evidence http://ss100x.com/
Magic Bullet: Jim Garrison
http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/Issues_and_evidence/Single-Bullet_theory/Garrison_on_the_SBT.html

Acoustic Evidence: Sounds of Silence
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html The conclusion of four separate shots coincides with 4 impacts visible in the Z-film. The acoustic impulses were retested in a 2001 investigation (‘Echo Correlation Analysis and the Acoustic Evidence in the Kennedy Assassination Revisited’) by D.B. Thomas, published in the Journal Science and Justice, Vol. 41, p. 21. The impulses are shown below, with the four highest amplitude peaks associated with rifle muzzle blasts.


Front to Back: Bullet Hole in the Limo Windshield http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
JFK Witness Deaths: Math Proof of a Conspiracy https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/jfk-witness-deaths-graphical-proof-of-a-conspiracy/

Jack Ruby: Confession http://www.spartacus-educational.com/JFKruby.htm
E. Howard Hunt- Deathbed confession http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm http://www.spartacus-educational.com/JFKhuntH.htm
Madeline Brown: LBJ mistress http://www.spartacus-educational.com/JFKbrownM.htm
LBJ: A Wink on Air Force One http://www.rense.com/general41/wew.htm http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/thewink.jpg
James Corbett: a quick bio of Lee Oswald. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFzhbNd1EI

 
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