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JFK: Warren Commission apologists claim that…

Richard Charnin
September 11, 2015

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Warren Commission apologists claim that…

1. Oswald shot Tippit.
But Tippit was shot no later than 1:06 pm. Oswald was seen outside his rooming house a mile away at 1:04 (some claim he was at the Texas Theater). The WC had to add 10 minutes to the time of death (1:16) to fabricate the myth that Oswald had enough time to get to the scene. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/jfk-did-oswald-shoot-tippit-eyewitnesses-no-warren-commission-yes/

2.The Magic Bullet theory is correct.
But the bullet entered 5.5” below JFK’s collar and never exited. Gerald R. Ford, a member of the Warren Commission, suggested that the panel raise its initial description of the bullet wound in Kennedy’s back in a transparent, illegal scam to bolster the ridiculous SBT. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/jfk-reelzs-nonsensicalsmoking-gun-the-parkland-doctors-and-executive-action/

3. The three tramps were not Harrelson, Holt and Rogers.
But they were identified by Lois Gibson , who works for the Houston Police Department and is probably the most respected forensic artist and facial expert in the world. She has just been awarded with a notation in the Guinness Book of World Records for the highest crime solving rate based on composite sketches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFkA9-xksdk.

4.Cancer and heart attacks cannot be induced.
But Judyth Vary Baker and Mary S. Sherman, under the direction of cancer expert Alton Ochsner, developed a cancer-producing agent to kill Castro. http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/04/cancer-murder-and-new-orleans.html . The 1975 Church Senate Intelligence Committee heard testimony of methods to induce heart attacks and cancer. http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-targeted-assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancer/5326382

5.The witness unnatural death probability calculation does not take margin of error into account.
But this was not a poll of witnesses. It is a statistical analysis based on historical data. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/a-probability-analysis-of-witness-deaths-within-one-year-of-the-jfk-assassination/

6. The Weigman photo proves that Lovelady was standing at the Doorway.
But it does not show Lovelady at 12:30. The Altgens 6 photo was taken at the precise second that JFK was shot. It shows Lovelady standing on the steps. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

7. Oswald was the Lone Gunman on the 6th floor.
But according to Det. Will Fritz, no one could place him there. And he was seen on the second floor at 12:25 by Carolyn Arnold – who was not called to testify at the WC. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/jfk-evidence-oswald-was-on-the-1st-floor-minutes-before-the-shooting/

8. No one testified that they saw Oswald in front on the steps of the Texas School Book Depository.
But the Warren Commission and the FBI had their patsy and would never allow such testimony. To claim they would is laughable disinformation. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/to-believe-oswald-was-not-standing-in-front-of-the-tsbd-you-must-believe-that/

9. Lovelady was Doorman. Oswald was not in front of the TSBD.
But Lovelady and Frazier both testified that Lovelady was standing on the steps in front of Frazier. Doorman was on the first floor. So Lovelady could not have been Doorman. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/oswald-in-the-doorway-why-is-the-preponderance-of-the-evidence-dismissed/

10. The HSCA determined that the London Times actuary’s 1 in 100,000 trillion probability that 18 material witnesses would die (13 unnaturally) within three years of the assassination was invalid. The HSCA claimed the witness universe was “unknowable”.
But the HSCA did not consider a) unnatural deaths, b) 552 Warren Commission witnesses, of whom at least 30 died suspiciously, c) 7 FBI officials were due to testify at HSCA and died suspiciously within a 6 month period, d) and at least 100 others. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/jfk-mysterious-witness-deaths-london-sunday-times-and-hsca-cover-up/

11. The HSCA noted just 21 suspicious deaths.
But not one of them was Mafia (8), CIA (16), FBI (9), Dallas police (12) or anti-Castro Cuban (5). There were at least 122 suspicious deaths between 1964 and 1979.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/jfk-witnesses-a-closer-look-at-the-hsca-list-of-21-deaths/

12. There is no proof that the suspicious witnesses were JFK-related.
But approximately 67 of the 122 in the JFK Calc spreadsheet were called to testify at the WC (1964), Garrison/Shaw trial (1967-69), Church Senate Intelligence Committee (1975-76) and HSCA (1976-79). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/jfk-assassination-paradigm-shift-deaths-of-witnesses-called-to-testify/

13. There was no connection between the witnesses.
But at least 50 were from the Dallas area. It cannot just be a coincidence. If there was no connection, the deaths would have been distributed randomly throughout the United States. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=73

14. Warren Commission apologist John McAdams said that John Simkin’s JFK Index includes a number of individuals who were inserted in the index because they died.
That is laughable but not unexpected considering the source. Seventy (70) of the 656 died suspiciously, 44 unnaturally (including 22 homicides). The probability: 1 in trillions. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/12/25/jfk-related-unnatural-and-suspicious-deaths-in-the-jfk-calc-spreadsheet-and-simkins-jfk-index/

15. Fingerprint expert Nathan Darby was proven wrong after claiming that fingerprints taken from the 6th floor of the TSBD were those of hitman Mac Wallace.
But “Wallace’s police ‘ten-print’ from his 1951 arrest, used in Mr. Darby’s comparison, was taken 12 years before the murder of JFK and even Mr Darby himself observed differences in the two prints that had arisen during the intervening time (e.g., he recorded what appeared to be an injury to the skin that was not present in the 1951 print but disrupted the 1963 print). He still felt confident enough to swear an affidavit stating that he had found 14 matching points, the threshold for admissibility in Texan courts. By all accounts, he later revisited the prints out of personal interest and found a 32-point match”. http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster68/lob68-mac-wallace.pdf

16. Oswald’s palm prints were found on the Carcano
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/faulty.htm
But Dallas police officials said during public interviews that Oswald’s prints had NOT been found on the weapon. When the FBI’s Latona examined the Carcano on November 23, he did not find Oswald’s prints on the weapon. Moreover, Latona said the rifle’s barrel did NOT look as though it had even been processed for prints. There is evidence that suggests the palm print was obtained from Oswald’s dead body at the morgue, or later at the funeral home So suspicious was the palm print that even the WC privately had doubts about the manner in which it was obtained (Garrison 113; Marrs 445; cf. Lane 153-158)

17. Oswald purchased the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle by mail-order under the alias “Alek Hidell”.
But this video proves that Oswald never ordered the rifle.

Why would he order a sub-par rifle from Klein’s Sporting Goods in Chicago using an alias when he could have purchased a superior rifle anonymously anywhere in Texas?

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/faulty.htm
– Oswald was at work when he is said to have purchased the money order. So who bought the money order? If Oswald didn’t buy it, why does the handwriting seem to be his? There are forgers who can copy a person’s handwriting so well that it is difficult if not impossible to detect the fakery. The original order form and envelope were destroyed, so the FBI had to rely on microfilm copies of this evidence.

– Nobody at Oswald’s post office reported giving him a hefty package such as the kind in which a rifle would be shipped. None of the postal workers reported ever giving Oswald ANY kind of a package. Oddly, the FBI apparently made no effort to establish that Oswald picked up the rifle from the post office, or that he had ever received a package of any kind there.

– Postal regulations required that only those persons named on the post office box registration form could receive items of mail from the box, yet there is no evidence that Oswald listed the name of Hidell on the form (Smith 290-291). In a report dated 3 June 1964, the FBI stated, “Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did NOT indicate on his application that others, including an ‘A. Hidell,’ would receive mail through the box in question”.

– There is a discrepancy in size between the weapon ordered by “A. Hidell” and the rifle that Oswald allegedly left behind on the sixth floor of the TSBD. “A. Hidell” ordered item C20-T750 from an advertisement placed by Klein’s Sporting Goods in the February 1963 issue of AMERICAN RIFLEMAN. The rifle that was listed as item C20-T750 is 36 inches long. The Mannlicher-Carcano that Oswald supposedly abandoned on the sixth floor of the Book Depository Building is 40.2 inches long.

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JFK: the eyewitnesses speak

JFK: the eyewitnesses speak

Richard Charnin
Sept. 10, 2014

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Note: number of witnesses shown in parenthesis.

1. Oswald could not have shot Tippit. Tippit was killed at 1:06pm, 0.8 mile from where Oswald was seen at 1:04 (10). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/jfk-did-oswald-shoot-tippit-eyewitnesses-no-warren-commission-yes/

2. The “double-bang” of two nearly simultaneous shots proves that there had to be more than one shooter (44). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/jfk-math-analysis-witness-testimony-of-time-interval-between-shots/ http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/11th_Issue/guns_dp.html

3. The JFK Limo came to a full stop, not shown in the Zapruder film (33). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/jfk-assassination-mathematical-proof-that-the-zapruder-film-was-altered/

4. The clear majority of witnesses said shots came from the Grassy Knoll (90+). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/jfk-assassination-mathematical-proof-of-a-grassy-knoll-shooter/ https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/jfk-dealey-plaza-witnesses-john-mcadams-strange-list/ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=65

5. Parkland witnesses saw an entrance wound in JFK’s throat (22). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/jfk-reelzs-nonsensicalsmoking-gun-the-parkland-doctors-and-executive-action/

6. Autopsy witnesses saw an exit wound in the right rear of JFK”s head (44). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXZ87gOlKkM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=69

7. The “Magic Bullet” struck JFK in the back 5.5” below the collar and never exited. This was confirmed by FBI agents at the autopsy (2).
O’Neill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzhKy-O4T4
Siebert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNZBfPkbPk

8. Oswald left the TSBD at approximately 12:40 and entered a Rambler (6). http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2012/10/oswalds-escape-from-tsbd.html

9. Billy Lovelady was on the steps of the TSBD. Doorman (Oswald) was standing on the top level (3). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

10. Carolyn Arnold, a TSBD secretary, saw Oswald on the FIRST floor at 12:25pm. She was not interviewed by the Warren Commission. Oswald told Will Fritz he was out with Bill Shelley in front (the FIRST floor entrance) at 12:30. Oswald was seen by policeman Baker and TSBD manager Truly at 12:31pm holding a coke on the SECOND floor.(3), THIS IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT OSWALD COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE 6TH FLOOR AT 12:30. http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

 
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Oswald was “out with Bill Shelley in front”; Lovelady was ”on the steps” in front of Frazier

Oswald was “out with Bill Shelley in front”; Lovelady was ”on the steps” in front of Frazier

Richard Charnin
Aug.7, 2014
Updated: May 9, 2015

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Oswald told Will Fritz of the Dallas PD that he was “out with Bill Shelley in front” of the TSBD. The Fritz notes were not mentioned by the Warren Commission and were hidden from the public until 1997.

If Oswald was lying to Fritz, what was his motive? After all, he already had an alibi: he was seen on the second floor 90 seconds after the shooting by TSBD manager Roy Truly and policeman Marrion Baker. He was holding a coke and not out of breath. If Oswald was not on the 6th floor, why would he not be out front watching the motorcade? And how would he know Bill Shelley was out in front unless he saw him there? https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/10137/

Oswald deniers say that he told Fritz he changed his shirt. The shirt he was wearing at the TSBD is open in a V pattern, just like the shirt he was wearing at the police station. Lovelady did not open his shirt in a V-pattern. Judyth Baker’s pixel analysis of the shirt in Altgens6 proves that Lovelady cannot be Doorman.

Deniers claim there was not enough time to alter the Altgens6 photo. That is a canard. There was a window of opportunity. http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2013/09/jfk-cartha-deloach-fbi-memorandum-and.html

When Lovelady was first interviewed by the FBI, he stated that he was wearing a vertically striped shirt on Nov. 22, 1963. This conflicted with Altgens6, so he changed his testimony to more closely conform to Doorman (Oswald) by saying that he wore a long-sleeved checkered shirt.

Warren Commission testimony indicates that Oswald, Shelley, Stanton and Frazier were standing on the TOP level (first floor) of the TSBD. In the Altgens6 photo, there are three men standing on the STEPS below: Lovelady, Williams and Molina. According to Frazier, Sarah Stanton is shading her eyes on the TOP level standing to his right. He was in the Black area and not visible.

If you look close, the man standing to the left of the cutout (Lovelady) on the steps is wearing a shirt and tie. Lovelady’s shirt is obscured.

There is a clear difference betweeen the early AP (Oakland Tribune) version of Altgens6 and the later Groden version. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bea_l1BJbWPx2Ju-QxedB3_cui6fCSFF7AE_iutBWGc/pub

Except for Doorman, the faces are all obscured. But the upper right portion of the whited-out face of the figure in front is visible and appears to match Lovelady. Was his face cut out and pasted over Doorman?

http://ahabit.com/witness/

Lovelady testified at the Warren Commission that he was standing on the steps. And Frazier said the same thing. If Lovelady was on the steps, then he could not be Doorman who was standing on the TOP Level. Q.E.D. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm

Mr. LOVELADY – That’s on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, “Well, I’ll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps,” so I went out there.
Mr. BALL – You ate your lunch on the steps? (Ball is perplexed)
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL – Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me… (did Ball cut him off?)
Mr. BALL – What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Stanton.
Mr. BALL – What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL – And Stanton’s first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL – Did you stay on the steps? (was Ball trying to get Lovelady to say he was on the TOP level?)
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes. (BNL said he stayed on the STEPS)

Mr. BALL – Were you there when the President’s motorcade went by?
Mr. LOVELADY – Right. (Once again, Lovelady does not change his location – he stayed on the STEPS).

Ball took out CE 369. Buell Frazier had placed a black arrow pointing to Doorman in the white area. Lovelady was asked to point the black arrow to himself by placing it in a dark area (where it was invisible).
Mr. BALL – I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you on that picture?
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL – Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.
Mr. LOVELADY – Where I thought the shots are?
Mr. BALL – No; you in the picture.
Mr. LOVELADY – Oh, here (indicating).
Mr. BALL – Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the DARK. You got an arrow in the DARK and one in the WHITE pointing toward you. Where were you when the picture was taken? (Ball is still trying to get Lovelady to say he was on the TOP level).
Mr. LOVELADY – Right there at the entrance of the building standing on the top step, would be here (indicating).
Mr. BALL – You were standing on which step? (Why does Ball keep asking the same question?)
Mr. LOVELADY – It would be your top level.
Mr. BALL – The top step you were standing there?
Mr. LOVELADY – Right. (Ball finally MANIPULATES Lovelady to say he was on the TOP level,even though earlier he had stated (without prompting) numerous times that he was on the STEPS – not on the TOP level).

William Shelley testified under oath that he was standing on the TOP landing of the entrance to the TSBD. If Shelley was not standing behind Lovelady, where was he? Doorman was standing on the TOP level (the 1st floor).
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm

Mr. SHELLEY – Oh, several people were out there waiting to watch the motorcade and I went out to join them.
Mr. BALL – And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY – Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill (note: Viles said he was across the street from the TSBD), Sarah Stanton, she’s with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady joined us shortly afterwards.
Mr. BALL – You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY – Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL – That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY – Yes.

Wesley Frazier confirmed Lovelady was on the steps in 5 interviews from 1963-86
1. 11/22/63 to the DPD
2. 3/1/64 at the WC
3. 2/13/69 at the Garrison/Shaw trial
4. 1978 at HSCA
5. 1986 at the Oswald Mock Trial

1. 11/22 Dallas PD (handwritten statement and affidavit)
Lovelady was standing on the front steps.

2. 3/1/64 Warren Commission
Frazier testified that Lovelady was standing two or three steps below him. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm

Mr. BALL – We have got a picture taken the day of the parade and it shows the President’s car going by. Now, take a look at that picture. Can you see your picture any place there?
Mr. FRAZIER – No, sir; I don’t, because I was back up in this more or less black area here.
Mr. BALL – I see.
Mr. FRAZIER – Because Billy, like I say, is TWO or THREE STEPS down in FRONT of me. (why would he say this if it were not true?)
Mr. BALL – Do you recognize this fellow?
Mr. FRAZIER – That is Billy, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL – Billy? (Ball must be concerned with Frazier’s answer. He does not want him to say Lovelady is on the STEPS, so he uses guile to twist the testimony).
Mr. FRAZIER – Right
Mr. BALL – Let’s take a marker and make an arrow down that way. That mark is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – That is where you told us you were standing a moment ago.
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – In FRONT of you to the right over to the wall?
Mr. FRAZIER – Yes. (Frazier once again says that Lovelady was standing BELOW him on the STEPS, but then UNWITTINGLY CONTRADICTS himself by pointing to Doorman who was on the TOP Level).
Mr. BALL – Is this a Commission exhibit?
We will make this a Commission Exhibit No. 369.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 369 for identification.)

3. 2/13/69 Shaw/Garrison trial http://www.jfk-online.com/fraziershaw.html

MR. ALCOCK:
Q: Can you see the spot where you were situated when the presidential motorcade came by?
A:Yes,sir, I can.
Q: Will you take this symbol and place it at that location where you were standing?
Q: Mr.Frazier, do you recall who you were with during the presidential motorcade?
A: Yes, sir, I can. When I was standing there at the TOP of the stairs, I was standing there by a heavyset lady who worked up in our office, her name is Sara, I forget her last name, but she was standing right there BESIDE me when we watched the motorcade.
Q: Do you recall anyone else who may have been with you?
A: Right down in FRONT of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady were standing there.

4. 1978 HSCA interview by Moriarity and Day
Standing right on the STEPS

5. 1986 Oswald Mock trial
Gerry Spence: “You recall that 23 years later that BNL was standing in FRONT of you.About 4 steps in FRONT of you. Is that correct?”
Frazier: Yes it is..

Joe Molina said he was on the uppermost step.
Mr. BALL. Where were you standing?
Mr. MOLINA. Right at the front door; right at the front door.
Mr. BALL. Outside the front door?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, outside the front door I was standing; the door was right behind me.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing on the steps?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, on the uppermost step.

Otis Williams was standing on the top step.
(Warren Commission Hearings, vol.22, p.683, 19 March 1964)

“I was standing on the top step against the railing on the east side of the steps in front of the building. I do not recall who was standing on either side of me.

Note: Frazier and Lovelady are consistent in stating that Lovelady was on the steps in front of Frazier who was next to Sarah Stanton. It is not clear if it was Molina or Shelley also standing on the TOP level.

In any case, the testimony is unanimous that Lovelady was standing in front on the steps. Therefore he could not have been Doorman who was standing on the first floor (the TOP level).

Sarah Stanton was interviewed by the FBI on Mar. 18, 1964. She said she was standing on the front steps of the TSBD along with Shelley, Williams, Billy Lovelady and Mrs. M.K. Sanders. She said she did not see Oswald. She could have missed him on the TOP level or was intimidated, like many others, from saying so.

Lloyd Viles of the AP was interviewed by the FBI on March 23, 1964. He said he was standing across Elm Street from the main entrance of the TSBD. Shelley had testified Viles was at the entrance to the TSBD.

Links to the Warren Commission testimony of TSBD employees are given below.

Carolyn Arnold, a secretary working for the Texas School Book Depository, provided support for Lee Harvey Oswald’s alibi. She said that he was on the first (i.e. ground) floor of the TSBD at the time of President Kennedy’s assassination. http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

Charles Givens was not asked where he was at 12:30. Danny Arce said he was in front but “on the grass”. The others said they were inside the building on the upper floors. Jack Dougherty’s testimony is suspicious and confusing.

Doorman’s shirt was open in a V to reveal a tee shirt identical to the shirt Oswald was wearing in custody. Lovelady did not wear his shirt open in a V. Judith Baker’s pixel analysis proves Doorman’s shirt matched Oswald’s shirt, not Lovelady’s. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/jfk-judyth-baker-pixel-analysis-of-altgens6-photo-proves-oswald-is-doorman/

Ten Reasons why Lovelady is the CUTOUT figure standing on the STEPS in FRONT of the TSBD and Oswald is Doorman on the TOP Level (the FIRST FLOOR).

Along with Judyth Baker’s pixelation analysis which proves that Doorman’s shirt matches Oswald’s and not Lovelady’s….

1. Oswald told Fritz he was “with Bill Shelley out front”.
2. There is a clear difference in Altgens6 between the early 11/22 AP (Oakland Tribune) and Groden version.
3. Lovelady testified that he was on the steps in front.
4. Frazier testified he was on the top level and Lovelady was in front on the steps.
5. Frazier testified that he was standing next to Sara Stanton.
6. Shelley testified Lovelady was on the steps in front of him.
7. Williams testified he was on the steps between two others (he did not recall).
8. The unobscured part of the cutout’s face in the GIF perfectly matches Lovelady.
9. If the cutout was not Lovelady, there would be no need to cut him out.
10. If the figure in front was not Lovelady, who was it and why cut him out?

Was ‘Prayer Man’ Lee Harvey Oswald? http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-on-tsbd-front-steps
Prayer Man’s location, at the top of the steps, suggests that he is unlikely to have been a passer–by. He is more likely to have been someone who worked inside the TSBD building, as were the fourteen witnesses known to have been standing in the doorway during the assassination. All of the TSBD’s white, male, manual workers, except for Oswald, were accounted for. A process of elimination indicates that Prayer Man may have been Oswald. Of the fourteen witnesses, seven women and two black men may be ruled out immediately. The remaining five white men may also be ruled out with varying degrees of certainty:

Five TSBD employees testified at the WC that they were out in front: TWO on the Top Level (first floor) and THREE on the steps in FRONT.
Bill Shelley wore a suit and tie.
Billy Lovelady did not wear a white shirt and tie.
Buell Frazier was wearing a jacket.
Joe Molina was wearing a suit and tie.
Otis Williams as Bookkeeping Supervisor would not have worn a casual shirt.

Did Officer Baker and Roy Truly encounter Oswald on the 2nd floor? http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-lunchroom-encounter-that-never-was.html
Why didn’t the WC question Baker about the affidavit in which he stated that he saw a man who did not match Oswald’s appearance on the third or fourth floor walking away from the stairwell? There was no mention of encountering anyone in the 2nd floor lunchroom. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0426-001.gif
TSBD manager Roy Truly said the man worked at the TSBD. According to Occhus Campbell, Vice-President of the TSBD, Oswald was seen near a small storage room on the first floor shortly after the shooting.

Proof that the AP and the FBI were actively involved in altering the Altgens6 photo is revealed in this memo: http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2013/09/jfk-cartha-deloach-fbi-memorandum-and.html

Many claim that Lovelady must be Doorman because he looks like him. This is not evidence. Doorman also looks like Oswald – and Doorman’s shirt also matches Oswald’s.

– Lone nutters claim that Lovelady is Doorman because Oswald was on the 6th floor.
– Many conspiracy theorists claim Lovelady is Doorman because Oswald was on the 2nd floor and that Oswald lied to Fritz about being “out with Bill Frazier in front”.

– Lone nutters believe everything in the Warren report is true.
– Many conspiracy theorists do not believe the report but believe it is accurate in stating that Oswald was on the 2nd floor 90 seconds after the shooting.

– Lone Nutters believe Oswald ran from the 6th floor to the 2nd in 75-90 seconds.
– Many conspiracy theorists do not consider that Oswald could have gone from the first floor to the 2nd in 10-15 seconds.

Questions:
– Why is every face in Altgens6 obscured? What are the odds?
– Is Jack Ruby standing outside the TSBD obscured except for his Fedora?

Of 17 TSBD employees interviewed by the Warren Commission, 9 said the shots came from the Grassy Knoll (GK), 5 TSBD (TB), 1 Knoll and TSBD, 1 other, 1 not asked

* standing in front of TSBD
Adams, Victoria GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/adams_v.htm
Arce, Danny GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/arce.htm
Baker, Mrs. Donald GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/baker.htm
Burns, Doris GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/burns.htm
Dougherty, Jack TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/doughert.htm

* Frazier, Buell Wesley GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm
Givens, Charles not asked http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htm
Hine, Geneva TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hine.htm
Jarman, James Other http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm
* Lovelady, Billy GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm

* Molina, Joe GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/molina.htm
Norman, Harold TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/norman.htm
Piper, Eddie TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/piper2.htmSanders,
Reid, Mrs. Robert TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm
Sanders, Pauline GKTB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/exhibits/ce1434.htm

* Shelley, William GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm
Truly, Roy GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/truly1.htm

A discussion on the Deep Politics Forum: https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9414-TSBD-Doorway-man-Oswald-or-Lovelady/page47#.VA8Iy_BX-uY

Is this Oswald standing on the first floor and the bald Billy Lovelady standing to his left on the steps below?
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11391385_10204293273792177_7150056598329764709_n.jpg?oh=00bf1ea40b63d6bab7e6f3295d3eaa88&oe=5632D1D1

Is this 5:9″ Oswald and 6:2″ Frazier standing to his left on the first floor?
Image result for oswald photo in front of the tsbd

Is this Oswald standing on the first floor with Frazier and Sarah Stanton?

 
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JFK Assassination: Fritz notes Oswald said he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”

JFK Assassination: Fritz notes Oswald said he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”

Richard Charnin
April 5, 2014
Updated: March 27, 2015

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That’s what Lee Harvey Oswald told Captain Will Fritz, whose abbreviated notes were hidden until they were released in 1997 by ARRB: http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html

QUESTION 1: Assume Oswald was photographed in Altgens6. Then of course he could not have shot JFK. Would you expect that Will Fritz’s notes that Oswald was “out with Bill Shelley in front” would be hidden for 30 years? Yes or No?

QUESTION 2: In his WC testimony, Lovelady was asked to place a DARK arrow in the DARK area pointing to himself. The arrow appears to be pointing to Doorman on the TOP level. Frazier had placed an arrow pointing to Doorman in the light area. Do you agree that Lovelady and Frazier contradicted themselves since they both stated multiple times that Lovelady was standing in FRONT on the STEPS – not on the TOP level. Yes or No?

QUESTION 3: If a photo, video, document, testimony, etc. had to be altered or fabricated to convict Oswald, do you suppose it would have been? Yes or No?

QUESTION 4: If a witness could confirm that Oswald was standing out front, would he/she be allowed to so testify? Yes or No?

QUESTION 5: If a witness could confirm that Oswald was standing out front and was allowed to testify, would he/she be asked the question? Yes or No?

QUESTION 6: If a witness was a participant in the conspiracy to make LHO the patsy and was asked if LHO was out front, would he/she say he was? Yes or No?

QUESTION 7: Neither Lovelady, Shelley or others were asked directly if Oswald was out front. Would it have been a logical question to ask. Yes or No?

QUESTION 8:  Oswald told Will Fritz that he was OUT FRONT WITH BILL SHELLEY at 12:30.   Oswald was seen at 12:31 in the 2nd floor lunchroom by officer Baker and Roy Truly holding a coke. But he could not run from the 6th to the 2nd floor in 75-90 seconds, bought a coke and not show shortness of breath.   It takes 10 seconds to walk from the first floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oswald must have told the truth to Fritz, since a) he already had an alibi, Bill Shelley, who was not asked by the WC if LHO was out front and b) he was seen by Truly and Baker at 12:31. Yes or No?

QUESTION 9: Lovelady died at age 41 in Jan. 1979 (during the HSCA investigation) from “complications” due to a heart attack. The probability of a 41 year old white male dying from a heart attack in 1979 was approximately 1 in 10,000. One must assume that as a critical witness Lovelady would have been sought to testify at the HSCA. Yes or No?

QUESTION 10: Many JFK researchers believe that Oswald was framed yet insist that he is not in the Altgens 6 photo. They say Doorman “looks like” Lovelady. But Doorman also “looks like” Oswald.  Is that a sufficient response in light of the fact that Doorman’s open shirt style is different from Lovelady’s? Yes or No?

QUESTION 11: Is it just a coincidence that the TSBD witnesses are not clearly shown in Altgens 6? Yes or No?

QUESTION 12 Do you believe the Oswald backyard photos were fakes? Yes or No.

QUESTION 13:  Do you believe the Z-film was altered? Yes or No?

QUESTION 14: Is there at least a possibility that Oswald is Doorman? Yes or No?

QUESTION 15: Do you believe Carolyn Arnold, a secretary at the TSBD, was mistaken in her statement that Oswald was on the first (i.e. ground) floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm? Yes or No?

http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

QUESTION 16: Do you consider it odd that Arnold was not interviewed by the Warren Commission? Yes or No?

QUESTION 17: In the video at the 2 minute mark, a man looking like a balding Billy Lovelady appears at the lower right of the screen. He is facing the TSBD and is wearing a checkered shirt buttoned to the collar. No tee shirt is visible. It was NOT the shirt that Doorman was wearing. Do you agree that it appears to be Lovelady? Yes or No? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNHtUDEDAI

QUESTION 18: In the Altgens6 photo, Doorman is wearing a long-sleeve shirt open to reveal his tee shirt. The  2/29/64 FBI photo of Lovelady shows him wearing a short-sleeve striped shirt. The FBI claimed Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeve shirt on 11/22/63, Does the fact that Doorman is wearing a long sleeve shirt seem odd to you? Yes or No.

QUESTION 19: Naysayers claim that Lovelady is Doorman because not one TSBD employee identified Oswald. But they could not say they saw Oswald in front since it had already been determined that he was the sole deranged, communist, Lone Nut assassin. Do you agree that is a plausible reason they would have been inhibited from testifying that Oswald was in front?  Yes or No.

QUESTION 20: Lovelady and Frazier both testified multiple times (see below)  that Lovelady was standing in front of Frazier on the steps. Frazier was on the TOP level (the first floor). Since Doorman was also standing on the TOP level,  Lovelady could not be Doorman. Yes or No?

CONCLUSION: Simple logic proves that Lee Harvey Oswald was Doorman standing in front of the TSBD in the Altgens6 photo taken at 12:30, the moment JFK was shot.  IT’S TIME TO CLOSE THE BOOK ON THE UNENDING PARLOR GAME. OSWALD SAID HE WAS “OUT WITH BILL SHELLEY IN FRONT “. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT HE WAS LYING. 

Click the GIF: http://oswald.shorturl.com/

WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY

William Shelley

Testified at the Warren Commission that he was standing on the TOP landing of the entrance to the TSBD. Billy Lovelady testified that he SAT on the steps in FRONT of Shelley. Doorman was standing on the TOP level (1st floor) in Altgens6.
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Mr. SHELLEY – Oh, several people were out there waiting to watch the motorcade and I went out to join them.
Mr. BALL – And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY – Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill, Sarah Stanton, she’s with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady joined us shortly afterwards.
Mr. BALL – You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY – Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL – That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY – yes.

Mr. BALL – Did you see the motorcade pass?

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Billy Lovelady
Confirmed that he was on the steps, not on the Top Level where Doorman was standing.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm

Mr. LOVELADY – That’s on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, “Well, I’ll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps,” so I went out there.
Mr. BALL – You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL – Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me

Mr. BALL – What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Stanton.
Mr. BALL – What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL – And Stanton’s first name?
Mr. LOVELADY – Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL – Did you stay on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY – Yes.
Mr. BALL – Were you there when the President’s motorcade went by?
Mr. LOVELADY – Right

Wesley Frazier
confirmed Lovelady was on the steps in 5 interviews from 1963-86
1. 11/22/63 to the DPD
2. 3/1/64 at the WC
3. 2/13/69 at the Garrison/Shaw trial
4. 1978 at HSCA
5. 1986 at the Oswald Mock Trial

1. 11/22 Dallas PD (handwritten statement and affidavit)
Lovelady was standing on the front steps.

2. 3/1/64 Warren Commission
Frazier testified that Lovelady was standing two or three steps below him. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm

Mr. BALL – We have got a picture taken the day of the parade and it shows the President’s car going by. Now, take a look at that picture. Can you see your picture any place there?
Mr. FRAZIER – No, sir; I don’t, because I was back up in this more or less black area here.
Mr. BALL – I see.
Mr. FRAZIER – Because Billy, like I say, is TWO or THREE STEPS down in FRONT of me. (why would he say this if it were not true?)
Mr. BALL – Do you recognize this fellow?
Mr. FRAZIER – That is Billy, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL – Billy? (Ball must be concerned with Frazier’s answer. He does not want him to say Lovelady is on the STEPS, so he uses guile to twist the testimony).
Mr. FRAZIER – Right
Mr. BALL – Let’s take a marker and make an arrow down that way. That mark is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – That is where you told us you were standing a moment ago.
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL – In FRONT of you to the right over to the wall?
Mr. FRAZIER – Yes. (Frazier once again says that Lovelady was standing BELOW him on the STEPS, but then UNWITTINGLY CONTRADICTS himself by pointing to Doorman who was on the TOP Level).
Mr. BALL – Is this a Commission exhibit?
We will make this a Commission Exhibit No. 369.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 369 for identification.)

3. 2/13/69 Shaw/Garrison trial http://www.jfk-online.com/fraziershaw.html

MR. ALCOCK:
Q: Can you see the spot where you were situated when the presidential motorcade came by?
A:Yes,sir, I can.
Q: Will you take this symbol and place it at that location where you were standing?
Q: Mr.Frazier, do you recall who you were with during the presidential motorcade?
A: Yes, sir, I can. When I was standing there at the TOP of the stairs, I was standing there by a heavyset lady who worked up in our office, her name is Sara, I forget her last name, but she was standing right there BESIDE me when we watched the motorcade.
Q: Do you recall anyone else who may have been with you?
A: Right down in FRONT of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady were standing there.

4. 1978 HSCA interview by Moriarity and Day
Standing right on the STEPS

5. 1986 Oswald Mock trial
Gerry Spence: “You recall that 23 years later that BNL was standing in FRONT of you.About 4 steps in FRONT of you. Is that correct?”
Frazier: Yes it is..

This GIF conforms with Frazier’s and Lovelady’s testimony of where they were standing at 12:30. It shows that Altgens6 was ALTERED to MORPH Oswald’s face to Lovelady while Lovelady’s was BLOCKED out standing on the steps in front. It is reminiscent of the fake Oswald backyard photos where hos face was superimposed over another body. Oswald said he could prove it – but never got the chance. Now it all fits: http://betshort.com/loveos.gif

Lovelady’s Shirt: Plaid (11/22/63) vs Striped (2/29/64)
According to researcher Josiah Thompson, Lovelady told CBS News that the striped, short sleeved shirt he wore in this 2/29/64 FBI photo was NOT the shirt he was wearing on 11/22/63. He said he wore a PLAID, box-patterned shirt. The shirt matched the one seen in the Roger Craig interview at the 2 minute mark. https://conspiracycritic7.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wpid-wpid-2013-07-22-21-36-33-picsay.jpeg

In 1971, Lovelady and his wife wrote this memo for Robert Groden, claiming he wore a plaid shirt on 11/22/63: https://conspiracycritic7.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wpid843-wpid-6989002969_5633154508_z.jpeg

Oswald in the Doorway deniers also claim that there was not enough time to alter Altgens6. That is a canard.There was a window of opportunity.
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2013/09/jfk-cartha-deloach-fbi-memorandum-and.html

The figures to the left of Oswald have been blotted out. Why? http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/GrodenAnnot-one-half14.jpg

Latest update: Judyth Baker, author of “Me and Lee”, has done a pixel analysis of Oswald’s shirt vs. Lovelady’s which proves Oswald is Doorman. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X2eD2Wl3xSmRHTuE02ntfYkb3ES2Kuo8wl3HHzzAlD8/pub


More evidence: Oswald’s shirt is proof that he was Doorman
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2013/02/newseum-displays-oswalds-shirt-proof.html

Did Officer Baker and Roy Truly encounter Oswald on the 2nd floor? http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-lunchroom-encounter-that-never-was.html

Does this photo from the Darnell film show Oswald  (Prayerman) at the TSBD ?

Of 17 TSBD employees interviewed by the Warren Commission, 9 said the shots came from the Grassy Knoll (GK), 5 TSBD (TB), 1 Knoll and TSBD, 1 other, 1 not asked

TSBD employee, source of shots, WC Link
Adams, Victoria GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/adams_v.htm
Arce, Danny GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/arce.htm
Baker, Mrs. Donald GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/baker.htm
Burns, Doris GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/burns.htm
Dougherty, Jack TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/doughert.htm

Frazier, Buell Wesley GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm
Givens, Charles not asked http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htm
Hine, Geneva TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hine.htm
Jarman, James Other http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm
Lovelady, Billy GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm

Molina, Joe GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/molina.htm
Norman, Harold TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/norman.htm
Piper, Eddie TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/piper2.htmSanders,
Reid, Mrs. Robert TB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm
Sanders, Pauline GKTB http://jfkassassination.net/russ/exhibits/ce1434.htm

Shelley, William GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm
Truly, Roy GK http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/truly1.htm

 
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