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Proof that Oswald was standing in front of the Texas Schoolbook Depository when JFK was shot

Proof that Oswald was standing in front of the Texas Schoolbook Depository when JFK was shot

Richard Charnin
Sept. 27, 2017

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The evidence is overwhelming; Oswald never fired a shot.

The experts agree: Oswald was photographed standing at the doorway of the TSBD in the Altgens6 photo taken at the time of the shooting:
http://www.oswald-innocent.com

Carolyn Arnold was an eyewitness who was never interviewed by the Warren Commission. Here’s why:
http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

Warren Commission and later testimony from Lovelady and Frazier proves Oswald was standing on at the entrance to the TSBD https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

Why is the evidence dismissed? https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/oswald-in-the-doorway-why-is-the-preponderance-of-the-evidence-dismissed/

Timeline of events
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/jfk-timeline-of-events-from-1200-122pm/

Evidence Oswald was on the first floor minutes before the shooting
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/jfk-evidence-oswald-was-on-the-1st-floor-minutes-before-the-shooting/

Prove it to yourself in this survey
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/04/05/jfk-20-questions-on-oswald-in-the-doorway-it-is-not-a-test-its-an-opinion-survey/

Judyth Baker’s pixel analysis
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/jfk-judyth-baker-pixel-analysis-of-altgens6-photo-proves-oswald-is-doorman

If you believe Oswald was NOT standing in front of the TSBD, then you must believe all of the following…
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/to-believe-oswald-was-not-standing-in-front-of-the-tsbd-you-must-believe-that/

Fritz notes released in 1997: Oswald told him he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/10137/

 

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Posted by on September 27, 2017 in JFK

 

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Oswald in the Doorway positively identified in Altgens6 photo using computer graphics techniques

The man in the doorway identified
By Larry Rivera © 10/22/15

The man in the doorway in the Altgens6 photograph can now be positively identified using modern computer graphics techniques. The techniques used here can be completely and reliably reproduced using the materials and methods described herein.

http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2015/10/oic-chairman-larry-rivera-has-done_24.html

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Posted by on October 24, 2015 in JFK

 

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JFK Myths Exposed: Oswald as Doorman was “put to bed in 1978 and makes CTs look foolish”; Lovelady was Doorman because “it looks like him”

JFK Myths Exposed: Oswald as Doorman was “put to bed in 1978 and makes CTs look foolish”; Lovelady was Doorman because “it looks like him”

Richard Charnin
Oct.14, 2015

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Regarding Oswald in the Doorway, a poster wrote: “This was put to bed in 1978 and is irrelevant except to make conspiracy people look foolish”.

Another poster commented: Lovelady was Doorman because “it looks like him”. I asked him to prove it but he kept repeating “it looks like him”. I showed him links to my posts which provide powerful evidence that Oswald was Doorman. It was like debating a wall, but it is instructive to see how disinformationists and trolls operate. Show them proof and they just ignore it – and keep repeating their nonsensical one-liners. View the thread here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/864733820211085/permalink/1105414642809667/

This was my reply to the first poster.
It was also decided by the HSCA in 1978 that the Mafia did it, and that the CIA and FBI were not involved, and that Oswald was a shooter in the TSBD, and that it was just a coincidence that the other shooter was independent of Oswald, and there was no definable witness universe and therefore it was impossible to calculate witness death probabilities, and that the London Times actuary was wrong and that…

the Oswald backyard photos were not fakes, and Oswald shot Tippit and shot at Walker, and that Oswald was a lone nut, not a CIA asset or FBI informer, and that Hoover, LBJ and the Warren Commission were honest in their search for the truth, and that the Zapruder film was not altered, and the magic bullet theory was credible, and that Clay Shaw was not CIA, and that just 4 bullets were fired based on acoustics and that…

THE MAJORITY OF DEALEY PLAZA WITNESSES  STATED THAT THE SHOTS CAME FROM THE TSBD, and that the CIA  did not have to respond to a subpoena from HSCA investigator Richard Sprague, and that’s why they hired Blakey who would not investigate the CIA and who stated that the mob did it, and that there was no coverup, and that the photos of JFK head wounds were not altered and that…THE WC SINGLE BULLET THEORY MADE SENSE…and that OSWALD WAS NOT IN THE DOORWAY…

(A) OSWALD DEFENDERS SAY HE DID NOT WANT TO VIEW THE MOTORCADE AND WAS SEEN IN THE 2ND FLOOR LUNCHROOM CALMLY HOLDING A COKE 75 SECONDS AFTER THE SHOOTING … WHILE (B) LONE NUTTERS BELIEVE THE WC CLAIM THAT HE RAN DOWN TO THE LUNCHROOM FROM THE 6TH FLOOR IN 75 SECONDS..

AND YES, THIS WAS ALL DECIDED IN 1978, SO IT MUST ALL BE TRUE…

According to the poster’s logic, anyone who does not believe the above must be a CT and looks foolish. Such twisted logic from one who is not a Lone Nutter.  Lone Nutters believe the impossible SBT and that Oswald was on the 6th floor shooting JFK and cannot be Doorman, and that he outdid Superman by hiding the rifle and  ran down four flights to the lunchroom in a little over a minute,  and that he was not seen by Victoria Adams (the girl on the stairs).

Strangely, posters who are not Lone Nutters also believe that Oswald was confronted by Roy Truly and Officer Baker drinking a coke on the 2nd floor – and he was not out of breath. But Baker and Truly did not mention seeing Oswald in their original testimony in which they reported seeing someone on the third or fourth floor who did not resemble Oswald. That was easy.

 
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Posted by on October 14, 2015 in JFK

 

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Philip Stahl: Exposing JFK Media Propagandists and Warren Commission apologists

Richard Charnin
Sept. 14, 2015

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Philip Stahl: Exposing JFK Media Propagandists and Warren Commission apologists

Stahl is a prolific Astronomer, Physicist and JFK researcher who has written many Physics texts and The JFK Assassination: Final Analysis. The following posts on his blog illustrate the extent to which the media will go in covering up the truth about the JFK assassination.

I sent Stahl this link: Debunking Scott Aaronson’s “Twenty Reasons to Believe Oswald Acted Alone”
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/10285/

Stahl responded with this set of devastating articles which closed the book on Aaronson:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/why-some-quantum-physicists-need-to.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/scott-aaronson-in-over-his-head-on-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-scott-aarons-2o-reasons-for.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-scott-aaronsons-20-reasons.html

JFK Forum Lone Nutters
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-i-dont-waste-time-posting-on-jfk.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-i-remain-uniquely-qualified-to-have.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/05/educating-australian-bloke-on-basic.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/09/will-lone-nuts-trot-out-more-malarkey.html

John McAdams
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/04/john-macadams-tries-to-rip-my-review-of.html

Rachel Maddow (MSNBC): In this video Maddow lies about Lee Oswald and the Mannlicher Carcano.
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/02/rachel-maddow-again-lies-about-lee.html

The Beltway Crowd: Bob Woodward vs. Oliver Stone
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/12/why-i-trust-oliver-stone-over-bob.html

Gerald Posner and Vince Bugliosi:
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/frequently-asked-questions-on-jfk_22.html

Vince Bugliosi
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/vince-bugliosis-magnificent-obsession.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/vince-bugliosis-magnificent-obsession_29.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/04/vince-bugliosis-magnificent-obsession_30.html

Bill O’Reilly
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/killing-kennedy-what-it-got-wrong-pt-2.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2015/03/oreillys-lies-in-killing-kennedy-show.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/11/be-still-my-heart-oreilly-does-jfk.html

Bob Schieffer: CBS
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/bob-schieffer-not-worthy-to-be-called.html

Time Magazine
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/13-pages-on-conspiracy-industry-and.html

Stanley Kutner, Bill Maher, Tom Brokaw
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/what-have-we-learned-this-past-week.html

NAT GEO
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2011/11/nat-geo-continues-with-elites-kennedy.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2011/11/more-on-nat-geo-explorer-lost-bullet.html

Stephen King
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2011/11/stephen-king-really-prepared-to-get-his.html

Jill Abramson: NY Times
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/ny-times-reviewer-jill-abramson.html

Philip Shenon: NY Times
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/author-philip-shenon-is-he-idiot-or-dupe.html

Steve Kornacki: MSNBC
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/even-liberals-can-be-victims-of.html

Michael Smerconish
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/beware-conspiracy-theorists-no-beware.html

Larry Sabato: Univ. of Virginia
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/10/larry-sabatos-new-book-does-not.html

Glenn Garvin: Miami Herald
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/glenn-garvin-fact-dont-matter-in-jfk.html

Marilyn Elias: Southern Poverty Law Center
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-southern-poverty-law-center-still.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-second-assassination-today-fifty.html

The “Skeptics Society”
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/11/top-ten-ways-to-test-conspiracy-claims.html
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2014/11/hyper-skepticism-of-conspiracy-phobics.html

 
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JFK: Warren Commission apologists claim that…

Richard Charnin
September 11, 2015

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Warren Commission apologists claim that…

1. Oswald shot Tippit.
But Tippit was shot no later than 1:06 pm. Oswald was seen outside his rooming house a mile away at 1:04 (some claim he was at the Texas Theater). The WC had to add 10 minutes to the time of death (1:16) to fabricate the myth that Oswald had enough time to get to the scene. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/jfk-did-oswald-shoot-tippit-eyewitnesses-no-warren-commission-yes/

2.The Magic Bullet theory is correct.
But the bullet entered 5.5” below JFK’s collar and never exited. Gerald R. Ford, a member of the Warren Commission, suggested that the panel raise its initial description of the bullet wound in Kennedy’s back in a transparent, illegal scam to bolster the ridiculous SBT. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/jfk-reelzs-nonsensicalsmoking-gun-the-parkland-doctors-and-executive-action/

3. The three tramps were not Harrelson, Holt and Rogers.
But they were identified by Lois Gibson , who works for the Houston Police Department and is probably the most respected forensic artist and facial expert in the world. She has just been awarded with a notation in the Guinness Book of World Records for the highest crime solving rate based on composite sketches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFkA9-xksdk.

4.Cancer and heart attacks cannot be induced.
But Judyth Vary Baker and Mary S. Sherman, under the direction of cancer expert Alton Ochsner, developed a cancer-producing agent to kill Castro. http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/04/cancer-murder-and-new-orleans.html . The 1975 Church Senate Intelligence Committee heard testimony of methods to induce heart attacks and cancer. http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-targeted-assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancer/5326382

5.The witness unnatural death probability calculation does not take margin of error into account.
But this was not a poll of witnesses. It is a statistical analysis based on historical data. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/a-probability-analysis-of-witness-deaths-within-one-year-of-the-jfk-assassination/

6. The Weigman photo proves that Lovelady was standing at the Doorway.
But it does not show Lovelady at 12:30. The Altgens 6 photo was taken at the precise second that JFK was shot. It shows Lovelady standing on the steps. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/10851/

7. Oswald was the Lone Gunman on the 6th floor.
But according to Det. Will Fritz, no one could place him there. And he was seen on the second floor at 12:25 by Carolyn Arnold – who was not called to testify at the WC. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/jfk-evidence-oswald-was-on-the-1st-floor-minutes-before-the-shooting/

8. No one testified that they saw Oswald in front on the steps of the Texas School Book Depository.
But the Warren Commission and the FBI had their patsy and would never allow such testimony. To claim they would is laughable disinformation. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/to-believe-oswald-was-not-standing-in-front-of-the-tsbd-you-must-believe-that/

9. Lovelady was Doorman. Oswald was not in front of the TSBD.
But Lovelady and Frazier both testified that Lovelady was standing on the steps in front of Frazier. Doorman was on the first floor. So Lovelady could not have been Doorman. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/oswald-in-the-doorway-why-is-the-preponderance-of-the-evidence-dismissed/

10. The HSCA determined that the London Times actuary’s 1 in 100,000 trillion probability that 18 material witnesses would die (13 unnaturally) within three years of the assassination was invalid. The HSCA claimed the witness universe was “unknowable”.
But the HSCA did not consider a) unnatural deaths, b) 552 Warren Commission witnesses, of whom at least 30 died suspiciously, c) 7 FBI officials were due to testify at HSCA and died suspiciously within a 6 month period, d) and at least 100 others. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/jfk-mysterious-witness-deaths-london-sunday-times-and-hsca-cover-up/

11. The HSCA noted just 21 suspicious deaths.
But not one of them was Mafia (8), CIA (16), FBI (9), Dallas police (12) or anti-Castro Cuban (5). There were at least 122 suspicious deaths between 1964 and 1979.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/jfk-witnesses-a-closer-look-at-the-hsca-list-of-21-deaths/

12. There is no proof that the suspicious witnesses were JFK-related.
But approximately 67 of the 122 in the JFK Calc spreadsheet were called to testify at the WC (1964), Garrison/Shaw trial (1967-69), Church Senate Intelligence Committee (1975-76) and HSCA (1976-79). https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/jfk-assassination-paradigm-shift-deaths-of-witnesses-called-to-testify/

13. There was no connection between the witnesses.
But at least 50 were from the Dallas area. It cannot just be a coincidence. If there was no connection, the deaths would have been distributed randomly throughout the United States. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=73

14. Warren Commission apologist John McAdams said that John Simkin’s JFK Index includes a number of individuals who were inserted in the index because they died.
That is laughable but not unexpected considering the source. Seventy (70) of the 656 died suspiciously, 44 unnaturally (including 22 homicides). The probability: 1 in trillions. https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2013/12/25/jfk-related-unnatural-and-suspicious-deaths-in-the-jfk-calc-spreadsheet-and-simkins-jfk-index/

15. Fingerprint expert Nathan Darby was proven wrong after claiming that fingerprints taken from the 6th floor of the TSBD were those of hitman Mac Wallace.
But “Wallace’s police ‘ten-print’ from his 1951 arrest, used in Mr. Darby’s comparison, was taken 12 years before the murder of JFK and even Mr Darby himself observed differences in the two prints that had arisen during the intervening time (e.g., he recorded what appeared to be an injury to the skin that was not present in the 1951 print but disrupted the 1963 print). He still felt confident enough to swear an affidavit stating that he had found 14 matching points, the threshold for admissibility in Texan courts. By all accounts, he later revisited the prints out of personal interest and found a 32-point match”. http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster68/lob68-mac-wallace.pdf

16. Oswald’s palm prints were found on the Carcano
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/faulty.htm
But Dallas police officials said during public interviews that Oswald’s prints had NOT been found on the weapon. When the FBI’s Latona examined the Carcano on November 23, he did not find Oswald’s prints on the weapon. Moreover, Latona said the rifle’s barrel did NOT look as though it had even been processed for prints. There is evidence that suggests the palm print was obtained from Oswald’s dead body at the morgue, or later at the funeral home So suspicious was the palm print that even the WC privately had doubts about the manner in which it was obtained (Garrison 113; Marrs 445; cf. Lane 153-158)

17. Oswald purchased the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle by mail-order under the alias “Alek Hidell”.
But this video proves that Oswald never ordered the rifle.

Why would he order a sub-par rifle from Klein’s Sporting Goods in Chicago using an alias when he could have purchased a superior rifle anonymously anywhere in Texas?

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/faulty.htm
– Oswald was at work when he is said to have purchased the money order. So who bought the money order? If Oswald didn’t buy it, why does the handwriting seem to be his? There are forgers who can copy a person’s handwriting so well that it is difficult if not impossible to detect the fakery. The original order form and envelope were destroyed, so the FBI had to rely on microfilm copies of this evidence.

– Nobody at Oswald’s post office reported giving him a hefty package such as the kind in which a rifle would be shipped. None of the postal workers reported ever giving Oswald ANY kind of a package. Oddly, the FBI apparently made no effort to establish that Oswald picked up the rifle from the post office, or that he had ever received a package of any kind there.

– Postal regulations required that only those persons named on the post office box registration form could receive items of mail from the box, yet there is no evidence that Oswald listed the name of Hidell on the form (Smith 290-291). In a report dated 3 June 1964, the FBI stated, “Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did NOT indicate on his application that others, including an ‘A. Hidell,’ would receive mail through the box in question”.

– There is a discrepancy in size between the weapon ordered by “A. Hidell” and the rifle that Oswald allegedly left behind on the sixth floor of the TSBD. “A. Hidell” ordered item C20-T750 from an advertisement placed by Klein’s Sporting Goods in the February 1963 issue of AMERICAN RIFLEMAN. The rifle that was listed as item C20-T750 is 36 inches long. The Mannlicher-Carcano that Oswald supposedly abandoned on the sixth floor of the Book Depository Building is 40.2 inches long.

 
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JFK: Timeline of events from 12:00-1:22pm

Richard Charnin
May 29, 2015

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The following is a summary timeline of events surrounding the JFK assassination compiled by Richard Hocking:
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013_08_01_archive.html

12:00: Eddie Piper sees Oswald on the 1st floor of the TSBD. 1
12:00–12:10: (estimated) Bonnie Ray Williams goes to 6th floor to eat lunch (sees and hears no one) 2

12:12: Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald a few minutes before 12:15 in the hallway on the first floor between the front and double doors 3

12:15–12:25: Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald in the 1st floor Lunch Room (Domino Room) 4

12:15: Arnold Rowland sees a man with a rifle on the 6th floor West Window (slender, dark hair, light shirt open at neck); another man was “colored” hanging out of East corner window) 5

12:15– 12:20: BRW takes elevator from 6th to 5th floor leaving Dr.Pepper bottle and partially eaten chicken behind (?) (sees and hears no one) 6

12:18: Howard Brennan sees man on 6th floor (no rifle visible at this time). (w/m, early30’s, slender, 165-75, light clothing) 7

12:20-12:25: Carolyn Arnold looks through glass door and sees Oswald inside on 1st floor near front of TSBD 8

12:26-12:30: Ruby Henderson sees two men on 6th/ or Top floor. One dark (Mexican or Negro), and was wearing a white shirt. The other man was taller and lighter. 9

12:28: Richard Carr sees a heavy set man with glasses, tan sport coat in 2nd window from East corner, 6th floor. 10

12:29: Carolyn Walther sees two men with a rifle in 5th floor SE corner Window (one wearing brown suit coat). 11

12:29 Robert Edwards sees a white male in 6th floor SE corner window, light colored shirt, short sleeve, open neck, possibly thin. 12

12:29 Ronald Fischer sees man in 5th floor “right corner” window laying down. He could only see his head, light headed and open neck shirt, in his twenties (Fischer will later say it was the 6th floor and change the number of shots from 4 to 3.) 13

12:29–12:30: Geneva Hines notes that the lights are out on her phone system as motorcade approaches TSBD. 14

12:30: SHOTS FIRED AT JFK LIMO
12:30: Amos Euins sees Blackman with rifle in 6th floor SE corner window (later changed to white man) 15 This man firing the rifle also has white shirt and bald spot on top of head.

12:30: Howard Brennan sees white man w white shirt and Rifle in 6th floor SE corner window 16

12:30: Jack Dougherty is 10 feet west of West Elevator on 5th floor (within sight and sound of NW stairs); hears one shot. 17

12:30: Dillard Photo taken 3-15 seconds after shots shows Norman and Williams in SE 5th floor corner windows (and possibly Jarman in the 4th window from the SE corner). They say they run to West Window after shots. 18

12:30 According to Det. Will Fritz, Oswald said he was on the first floor at the time of the shooting and then went up to the second floor to get a coke.

12:30 “Prayer Man” is standing on TOP of the front stairs of the TSBD by the glass door. Frazier says he was also standing there and that William Shelley and Lovelady were on the STEPS below him.

12:31: Vicky Adams and Sandra Styles descend the NW rear stairs from the 4th floor to the 1st floor but do not see or hear anyone. 19

12:31: Otis Williams runs up NW stairway to 4th floor (sees no one) goes back to his 2nd floor office (?) 20

12:31: Officer Baker enters the TSBD front entrance, runs past “Prayer Man” and goes to back with Truly, who shouts twice to release elevator (no response). They see two white men by the elevators (probably Shelley and Lovelady according to Adams) 21

12:31: Officer Barnett runs to guard back of TSBD (and Fire Escape on East Side). 22

12:31:30: Officer Baker and Roy Truly on 2nd floor by NW stairway; claim to see Oswald in lunch room. 21

12:32: HSCA analysis shows boxes in 6th floor window were rearranged within 2 minutes of shooting.

12:32–12:33 Mrs. Reid returns to her 2nd floor office. Oswald calmly walks by her with coke in hand.

12:32–12:33: Officer Baker sees white male on 3rd or 4th floor, 30 yrs old, 5’9, 165 lb, dark hair, light brown jacket. Manager vouches for the man and Baker lets him go. (Baker 11/22/63 affidavit) 25

12:33–12:34: Baker and Truly on 4th or 5th floor, spot East Elevator, but West elevator is missing 28 They take the East Elevator to the seventh floor and find nothing, return to the fourth floor where Baker reports to Inspector Sawyer, the senior Dallas Police Department officer in the building.

12:35: Baker and Truly are on the roof of TSBD 33

12:40–12:45: Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig hears a shrill whistle and sees a light green Nash Rambler Station Wagon stop by the TSBD. He then sees a white male run down the slope and get inside. He was 140-150 lbs, brown hair, in his 20’s, white T shirt. The driver of the vehicle was a husky Latin, dark wavy hair, tan windbreaker jacket. Craig runs over to report this to the Command Post in front of the TSBD entrance and encounters a SS Agent (“40 years old, sandy-haired with a distinct cleft in his chin. He was well-dressed in a gray business suit”) 24

12:45: Description of suspect broadcast by DPD: w/m, 30, 5’10, 165, 30-30 (Winchester Rifle on Channel 2) 36

1:22: Boone and Weitzman discover rifle they identify as a 7.65 Mauser, concealed between boxes on the 6th floor 40

1:22 Truly tells DPD Capt. Lumpkin that one of his men (Oswald) is missing. Lumpkin confers privately with two or three other senior DPD officers and then escorts Truly up to the Sixth Floor where they interrupt Capt. Fritz examining the rifle. Lumpkin tells Fritz that Truly has something important to tell. Truly tells Fritz about the missing employee and gives Fritz Oswald’s address at Mrs. Paine’s home in Irving. Fritz walks across the street to Sheriff Decker’s office and they confer privately. Fritz returns to his DPD office where Oswald is under arrest for the Tippit shooting.
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Did Baker and Truly encounter Oswald on the 2nd floor?
http://assassinationofjfk.net/the-coke-incident-fritzs-notes-and-the-limo-stop/

Related Posts Indicating that Oswald was Doorman:

JFK: Oswald on the Top Level; Lovelady on the Steps 2 JFK: Judyth Baker’s analysis of the shirt proves Oswald is Doorman 3 JFK: To Believe Oswald was NOT standing in front of the TSBD you must believe  4 JFK: Oswald was “Out with Bill Shelley in Front” 5  JFK: Oswald in the Doorway – an Opinion Survey 6- Evidence Oswald was on the first floor minutes before the shooting

 
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JFK: Evidence Oswald was on the 1st floor minutes before the shooting

JFK: Evidence Oswald was on the 1st floor minutes before the shooting

Richard Charnin
May 24, 2015

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Reclaiming Science:The JFK Conspiracy

This post is largely based on Gil Jesus’ excellent analysis.

Oswald’s whereabouts between 11:45am and 12:25pm is documented by 4 different witnesses who claimed to have seen him on the first floor. According to Dallas Homicide Captain Will Fritz, Oswald told him that he was on the first floor in the “Domino Room” at the time of the assassination having his lunch. Fritz testified: “I asked him what part of the building at the time the President was shot. He said he was having lunch at about this time on the first floor.” But it was not until 1997 that Fritz’s notes of his interview of Oswald were released in which Oswald said that he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”.

 JFK’s motorcade was scheduled to be at Dealey Plaza at 12:25pm but was 5 minutes late. Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by Carolyn Arnold  as she was exiting the building. Arnold was not interviewed by the Warren Commission. 

The “Domino Room” was a recreation room on the first floor where the employees would take their breaks. The lunchroom was on the second floor, but many of the warehouse employees used the first floor “Domino Room” to eat lunch and play dominoes. TSBD witness testimony was unanimous: Oswald ALWAYS ate his lunch in the Domino room-which was on the same floor as the entrance to the TSBD.

At least five witnesses claimed they saw Oswald on the first floor.

1. Charles Givens told the FBI that he saw Oswald reading a newspaper in the Domino room at 11:50 am. Givens testified that when he saw Oswald reading, it was usually “right at lunch time” – and Oswald always ate lunch in the Domino Room.

2. William Shelley gave testimony supporting Oswald being in the first floor Domino Room at 11:50.

3. Janitor Eddie Piper also saw Oswald on the first floor at about noon.

These sightings of Oswald on the first floor between 11:45 and 12:00 give credibility to Givens’ original account of seeing Oswald reading the newspaper in the Domino Room at 11:50 am. They also imply that Givens, under tremendous pressure, changed his story to not seeing Oswald at all that day.

4. Carolyn Arnold told the FBI that after she left the TSBD, she caught a glimpse of someone she thought was Oswald on the first floor. FBI notes indicated that she claimed to have seen Oswald “a few minutes before 12:15. But in her original statement she indicated that she left the building at 12:25, a fact that she repeated in a March 1964 affidavit.

If Arnold left the building at 12:25 pm to watch the parade and saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the first floor “standing between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse”, he could not have been the killer of President Kennedy. It also means that the FBI lied in its report on the time that she claimed to have seen him. They needed Oswald in the sixth floor window at 12:25, so they changed the time to a few minutes before 12:15, rather than a few minutes after 12:25, in order to give Oswald time to get to the 6th floor.  Arnold was never called as a witness by the Warren Commission.

5. Occhus Campbell, Vice-President of the TSBD, informed the NY Herald Tribune on 11/23/63 that shortly following the assassination, Oswald was seen on the ground (first) floor near the storage room.

The sightings of Oswald on the first floor by these witnesses BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER Arnold Rowland saw a man on the sixth floor with a rifle, make it IMPOSSIBLE for Oswald to have been that man.

The Lunchroom Encounter: fact or fiction?

Roy Truly told Will Fritz on the day of the assassination that he saw Oswald near the storage room on the first floor as he went inside with officer Marrion Baker.

Baker made no mention in his 11/22/63 affidavit of encountering a man in the 2nd floor lunchroom as he made his way up the stairs. Why didn’t the WC question Baker about the affidavit in which he stated that he saw a man who did not match Oswald’s appearance on the third or fourth floor walking away from the stairwell? Roy Truly said the man worked at the TSBD. There was no mention of encountering anyone in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

During questioning by FBI agent James W. Bookhout, Oswald claimed that he saw two “Negro employees” in the Domino Room. One he recognized as “Junior”; the other was a shorter man whose name he did not recall. The “Junior” he referred to was James “Junior” Jarman; the other man was Harold Norman.

In his WC testimony, Jarman admitted being in the Domino Room at the time Oswald said he was, but denied seeing Oswald. He said that after descending from the sixth floor he went to the first floor to wash up. He then picked up his lunch in the Domino Room and went upstairs to the second floor to buy a soda from the machine. He returned to the “Domino Room” where he ate a part of his sandwich while standing, then walked around on the first floor eating his sandwich and drinking his soda.

Harold Norman also ate his lunch in the Domino Room. Although he admitted that there was someone else there with him, he “could not remember who ate in the domino room with me”. Norman’s lack of memory of who had lunch with him on the day the President of the United States was assassinated is strange. He remembered that after eating his lunch, he stood on the sidewalk with Danny Arce. He recalled seeing Roy Truly and TSBD Vice President O.V. Campbell and Billy Lovelady outside as well. He said that he returned to the building with James Jarman. He remembered coming out of the building after the shooting and seeing Howard Brennan. He remembered being interviewed by an FBI agent named Kreutzer on November 26th.

Harold Norman could remember all of these details, but not who he had lunch with in the “Domino Room”. Could the other person in the Domino Room have been someone other than Oswald? The FBI never investigated or determined who that person was.

If Oswald had been on the sixth floor prior to 12:15, as the Commission believed, it was a remarkable coincidence that out of all of the employees of the TSBD, Oswald was able to pick out two who were together as he claimed, on the same floor as he claimed, in the same room as he claimed and at the same time as he claimed.

These co-workers of Oswald all testified that Oswald ate his lunch in the first floor Domino Room. Givens went so far to say that Oswald always ate lunch there. Williams and Jarman gave testimony that proved that Oswald’s leaving the building after lunch was not out of the ordinary.

The Altgens6 photo

“The first step to creating the false impression that Lee Harvey Oswald was on the 6th floor of the School Book Depository was to distort the photograph. Clearly, it is not possible to remove a face or faces from the area of the doorway of the TSBD unless the Altgens photo was deliberately defaced.  

Three witnesses confirm the fact that Lovelady was with them on the steps of the Depository, William Shelley (6H328), Sarah Stanton (22H647), and Wesley Frazier (22H675). But in the WCH, Shelley testified under oath that Lovelady was SITTING DOWN on the top step directly in front of Shelley, and that is why the man pictured in the Doorway is not Lovelady, and J. Edgar Hoover knew it. Even Lovelady claimed that he was with Shelley, and the man in the Doorway appears to be alone and he is wearing Lee Harvey Oswald’s shirt.

Lovelady did not appear to be asked about the shirt he was wearing on the day of the assassination by the Warren Commission. According to Michael Benson, Lovelady said he was wearing a red and white stripped shirt. However, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) claimed he was wearing a plaid shirt. Unfortunately, Lovelady was not able to confirm this as he died just before the publication of the HSCA report. He died of a heart-attack aged 42 in January, 1979. And that’s pretty solid evidence that somebody did not want to publish the obvious truth”.

The Doors of Perception, by William Kelly, is a comprehensive analysis of the Truly and Baker movements.

Shawn Murphy: Was Marrion Baker the True Source of Inspector Sawyer’s Suspect Description? Prayer Man’s location, at the top of the steps, suggests that he is unlikely to have been a passer–by. He is more likely to have been someone who worked inside the TSBD building, as were the fourteen witnesses known to have been standing in the doorway during the assassination. All of the TSBD white, male, manual workers, except for Oswald, were accounted for. A process of elimination   indicates that Prayer Man may have been Oswald.

Related Posts: 1 JFK: Oswald on the Top Level; Lovelady on the Steps 2 JFK: Judyth Baker’s analysis of the shirt proves Oswald is Doorman 3 JFK: To Believe Oswald was NOT standing in front of the TSBD you must believe  4 JFK: Oswald was “Out with Bill Shelley in Front” 5  JFK: Oswald in the Doorway – an Opinion Survey

 
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