## Probability Analysis and Database of JFK Assassination Witness Deaths

08 Apr

Probability Analysis and Database of JFK Assassination Witness Deaths

Richard Charnin (TruthIsAll)
Updated: Dec.2, 2013

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There has been much discussion and controversy regarding the number of unnatural JFK-related witness deaths that occurred following the 1963 assassination. The mysterious deaths were a combination of homicides, suicides, accidents and undetermined origin. This analysis of the probabilities of the deaths occurring over 1-15 year time intervals has been updated in Executive Action: JFK Witness Deaths and the London Times Actuary.

JFK Calc is a spreadsheet that contains a database of 120 JFK-related witnesses. The spreadsheet contains the date of death, witness category and connection to the case as well as detailed probability calculations. Of the 120 witnesses, at least 85 met unnatural deaths (homicides, suicides, accidents, unknown); the other 35 were suspicious heart attacks and illnesses, etc.

Some have questioned the relevance of the unnatural and suspicious witness deaths related to the assassination. But 63 of the 120 were called to testify in four investigations: 30 testified at the Warren Commission, 16 were sought by prosecutor Jim Garrison at the Clay Shaw trial, 8 by the Church Senate Intelligence Committee, 21 by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) (13 were sought in two investigations). Therefore 63 witnesses were indisputably relevant – but so were the 55 who were not sought to testify.

The probability analysis is straightforward; it is not a theoretical exercise. It is a mathematical proof of conspiracy based on historic mortality statistics, death rates. The probabilities are calculated using the Poisson formula. This is a challenge to those who claim that the deaths do not prove a conspiracy: To substantiate your claim, you must refute the witnesses cause of death, unnatural mortality rates and the Poisson formula.

EXECUTIVE ACTION

An actuary engaged by the London Times calculated the probability that at least EIGHTEEN witnesses would die within three years of the JFK assassination as 1 in 100,000 TRILLION. The calculation is mentioned in the 1973 film Executive Action based on a book by the original JFK researcher and lawyer Mark Lane. The film starred Burt Lancaster, Robert Ryan and Will Geer.

The actuary’s probability is actually very conservative (too high) since at least 42 of 1400 JFK-related witnesses died unnaturally in the three years following the assassination. Using the 0.000227 WEIGHTED JFK-witness mortality rate, the probability is E-52 (1/TRILLION^4).

There were at least 22 unnatural deaths in the first year, 42 in the first three years and 85 from 1963-1978. The number of deaths spiked during the 1977-78 House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) investigations of the JFK and MLK murders. The HSCA determined that both murders were conspiracies. The average 1964-78 homicide rate was 0.000084. The probability of 50 JFK witness HOMICIDES among 1400 material witnesses from 1964-78 is E-53.

Warren Commission apologists have suggested that there were many more than 1,400 witnesses. The FBI claimed to have interviewed 25,000. But how many were material? The probability that 26 of 25,000 witnesses would be murdered in the three years following the assassination is 1 in 400 billion.

To put these numbers in perspective, there are approximately 7E17 (700,000 trillion) grains of sand on the earth and 3E23 (300 billion trillion) stars in the universe.

WITNESSES

Who’s Who in the JFK Assassination by Michael Benson, provides information on more than 1,400 JFK-related individuals (suspects, victims, witnesses, law enforcement officials and investigators) involved in the assassination.The book is based on years of research using a wealth of data sources and a detailed analysis of the Warren Commission’s twenty-six volumes.

Hit List: An In-Depth Investigation into the Mysterious Deaths of Witnesses to the JFK Assassination, by Richard Belzer and David Wayne, is a comprehensive analysis of fifty witness deaths and cites the probability calculations presented here.

Crossfite by Jim Marrs lists 103 individuals related to the assassination who died mysteriously from 1963-1978. Lee Harvey Oswald is not on the list but should be. The list was the starting point used in the analysis.

TWO POSSIBILITIES

Suppose that on Nov. 22, 1963, 1400 individuals were selected at random from the entire U.S. population. Further suppose that within one year, at least 18 would die unnaturally under mysterious circumstances. Based on unnatural death mortality rates, only 1 in a random group of 1400 would be expected to die unnaturally.

There are two possibilities. The 18 unnatural deaths were…
1) unrelated. It was just a 1 in 1000 trillion coincidence.
2) related. There was a common factor -a connection- between them.

We can confidently rule out 1). Then if the 18 unnatural deaths were related, what was the connection?

Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the truth. – Arthur Conan Doyle

COINCIDENCE OR CONNECTION?

There were at least 18 unnatural deaths of JFK-related witnesses within one year of the assassination. In any given year, only one unnatural death would be expected in a random group of 1400. The probability that at least 18 would die unnaturally in any given year is 1 in 1000 trillion (see the mathematical proof below). The odds of 18 or more natural deaths in one year in a random group of 1400 is obviously much higher.

The 18 deaths could not have been a coincidence. There had to be a COMMON FACTOR. It could have been a) they were interviewed by the Warren Commission, b) scheduled to be interviewed, c) were in the commission witness index or d) related and not interviewed. If they were JFK-related, the deaths were not random. One must therefore conclude that the assassination was a conspiracy.

Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin, was shot by Jack Ruby in front of millions of television viewers on Nov. 24, 1963. He was conveniently disposed of before he could get a lawyer after claiming that he was “just a patsy”. The transcript of Oswald’s interrogation was destroyed.

In 1977, seven top FBI officials died suddenly in the six months from June to November. Two had testified to the Warren Commission; two were #3 FBI officials; two were forensic experts. William Sullivan, a #3 FBI official, died from an “accidental” gunshot while hunting, just before he was scheduled to testify at HSCA. James Cadigan, an FBI document expert, died from a fall in his home. The others died from heart attacks.

THE LONDON TIMES AND THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

In a response to a letter from the 1977 House Select Committee on Assassinations, London Sunday Times Legal Manager Anthony Whitaker wrote: “Our piece about the odds against the deaths of the Kennedy witnesses was, I regret to say, based on a careless journalistic mistake and should not have been published. This was realized by The Sunday Times editorial staff after the first edition – the one which goes to the United States – had gone out, and later editions were amended. There was no question of our actuary having got his answer wrong: it was simply that we asked him the wrong question. He was asked ” what were the odds against 15 named people out of the population of the United States dying within a short period of time” to which he replied -correctly – that they were very high. However, if one asks what are the odds against 15 of those included in the Warren Commission Index dying within a given period, the answer is, of course, that they are much lower. Our mistake was to treat the reply to the former question as if it dealt with the latter – hence the fundamental error in our first edition report, for which we apologize”.

That settled the matter for the HSCA which did not bother to ask U.S. mathematicians to analyze the probabilities. One must ask: Why not?

Whitaker obfuscated a very simple mathematical problem: to determine the probabilities of unnatural JFK-related deaths over relevant time intervals: 1, 3, 14 years. He did so by leaving out the word unnatural.

The London Times legal manager made two fundamental errors. The first was an incomplete and misleading statement of the problem. He implicitly assumed deaths of all types, natural and unnatural. He did not distinguish between the two categories. The probability calculations must be based on the expected number of unnatural (not total) deaths.

The second error was the omission of relevant numerical data: He did not provide unnatural death mortality statistics. He failed to show the probability calculations. Why not? Was it because it would prove that the actuary’s calculation was essentially correct?

If the London Times was interested in the truth, it would have confirmed these results:

1. Incorrect problem definition: Calculate the probability that 15 named JFK-witnesses would die in one year
Given the 1964 unnatural death rate (0.000825), the probability is 0.000825^15 that 15 named individuals would die unnaturally. The odds that 15 named individuals would die of any cause is of course much higher. But these probabilities do not address the problem.

2. Correct definition: Calculate the probability that at least 15 material witnesses in a known group would die unnaturally in one year
Given the unnatural 1964 death rate, the probability that at least 15 of 1400 JFK witnesses would die unnaturally in 1964 is 1 in 445 billion (E-12 or ZERO for all practical purposes). Of course, the odds that at least 15 would die of any cause is much higher: 1 in 2.

CALCULATING THE PROBABILITY: THE POISSON DISTRIBUTION

The probability calculations are based on the 0.000815 average annual unnatural mortality rate in 1964-78.

The probability P of at least n unnatural deaths in a group of N individuals, for time period T years, given unnatural mortality rate R, is P(n)= Poisson(n, E), where E=R*N*T is the expected number of unnatural deaths. As E increases, the probability increases. The probabilities of various unnatural deaths for a range of witnesses is displayed in a Probability Sensitivity Matrix.

The Poisson distribution is used to calculate the probability of a rare event when the probability of an event (P) is very small and the number of trials (N) is large, and therefore the expected number of events (P*N) is a moderate-sized quantity.

The probability of an unlikely event is calculated in Excel as P = POISSON (n, a, type) where n is the observed number of events; a is the expected number; type is a logical value that determines the form of the probability distribution, discrete (False) or cumulative (True).

In 1964, the annual unnatural death rate was 0.000825. Therefore, the expected number of unnatural deaths in 1964 in a random group of 1400 was 1.155 = 000825*1400. In other words, we would normally expect approximately ONE unnatural death in the group. But there were n=18 unnatural witness deaths within one year of the assassination.
N = 1400 = number of witnesses
n = 18 = number of unnatural deaths in 1964
a = 1.155 = 000825*1400 = expected number of unnatural deaths

The Poisson formula is: P(n) = a^n * exp (-a) / n!
P (18) = 6.55E-16 = 1.155^18 * exp (-1.155) / 18!

The probability of EXACTLY n=18 unnatural deaths:
P (n) = Poisson (n, a, false)
P (18) = Poisson (18, 1.155, false) = 6.55E-16.
P (18) = 1 in 1,526,824,370,949,295

The probability of AT LEAST 18 unnatural deaths:
P (>17) = 1 – Poisson (17, 1.155, true)
P (>17) = 7.77E-16 or 1 in 1,286,742,750,677,285

WARREN COMMISSION

At least 30 of 552 witnesses died suspiciously (n=18 unnaturally) in the T=15 years from 1964-1978. Normally, 7 unnatural deaths would be expected. Using the 0.000257 weighted witness mortality rate, the probability of at least 18 deaths is ZERO:
P = E-11 = 1- POISSON (17, 2.13, false)
P = 1 in 60 billion

Now let’s calculate the probability of at least 11 homicides. Using the annual 1964-78 national homicide rate (0.000084), we would expect one homicide among the 552 Warren Commission witnesses. E = 0.65 = 552*15*0.000084
The probability of at least 11 homicides is:
P = 1 – Poisson (n-1, E, true)
P = 1 – Poisson (10, 0.70, true)
P = 2.54E-10 = 1 in 4 billion

Four Investigations
Approximately 1100 material witnesses were sought to testify in four JFK-related investigations: Warren Commission, Garrison/Shaw Trial, Senate Intelligence Hearings and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). At least 63 of the 1100 died under suspicious circumstances.

The 63 are included in the JFK Calc 120 witness database. It is obvious that the 30 WC witnesses who died unnaturally and suspiciously were relevant; they all testified. The vast majority of the other 33 sought in the three investigations that followed died suspiciously shortly before they could testify.

Of the 63 deaths, 39 were unnatural (28 homicides). Twelve died from suspiciously timed heart attacks and 12 from illnesses and natural causes.

David Ferrie supposedly committed suicide a few days before he was scheduled to testify before a grand jury at the Clay Shaw trial in 1967.

Sam Giancana was murdered before he had a chance to testify at the Church Senate hearings in 1975.

George de Morenschildt supposedly shot himself the day he was notified of his interview by the HSCA.

Seven (7) top FBI officials died within a six month period in 1977 prior to their scheduled testimony at the HSCA. And there were many more.

1400 Material Witnesses: 85 Unnatural Deaths
Who’s Who in the JFK Assassination is a reference text of 1400+ suspects, witnesses, law enforcement officials and investigators. The JFK Calc spreadsheet includes 120 material witnesses of whom 85 died unnaturally (homicide, accident, suicide,unknown). The 35 “natural” deaths include 20 suspicious (induced?) heart attacks. Of the 120 in the database, 95 are listed in “Who’s Who”.

Only 17 unnatural deaths would normally be expected among 1400 material witnesses in the 15 year period – but there were at least 85. The probability is ZERO.

Nearly half of the unnatural deaths occurred during two major investigations in just over two years: 16 in 1964 (Warren Commission)and 22 in 1977-78 (HSCA). Timing is everything.

Unweighted and Weighted Mortality Rates

JFK Calc has all the information required for a robust analysis: a) known witness universe, b) official cause of death, c) average unnatural mortality rates and d) the relevant time period (1964-1977).

Nationally, accidents comprised 66% of unnatural deaths compared to 11% for homicides. But 50 of 85 (60%) JFK witness unnatural deaths were homicides; therefore we need to weight the JFK-witness rates by cause of death to calculate probabilities. If the analysis was restricted to homicides the mathematical proof would be simpler and even more powerful.

The weighted rate is the sum-product of the individual unnatural rates and corresponding deaths:
R = 0.000230 = (50*0.0000808 + 8*0.000130 + 24*0.000594 + 3*0.00001)/85

``` 1964-78 Average Unnatural Mortality Rates Homicide (50): 0.000084 (1 in 11,861) Accident (24): 0.000594 (1 in 1,684) Suicide (8): 0.000130 (1 in 7,685) Total Unnatural (83): 0.000808 (1 in 1,237)```

``` 1964-78 Average Natural Mortality Rates Cardiac:0.004913 (1 in 204) Cancer: 0.001991 (1 in 502) Stroke: 0.001562 (1 in 687) Other : 0.001025 (1 in 976) Total Natural (35): 0.009385 (1 in 107) 1964-78 Average Mortality Natural.. 0.009385 1 in 107 Unnatural 0.000808 1 in 1,237 Total.... 0.010193 1 in 98 LONDON TIMES ACTUARY (1964-1966) At least 18 deaths (13 unnatural); assume 459 witnesses Normally, 2 unnatural deaths would be expected. Using the 0.000207 weighted rate, the probability is P = E-17 = POISSON (13, .29, true) P = 1 in 100,000 trillion WARREN COMMISSION- 418 witnesses (CIA) Normally, 5 unnatural deaths would be expected. Using the 0.00057 weighted WC witness rate, the probability of at least 18 deaths is ZERO: P = E-13 = 1- POISSON (17, 1.61, false) P = 1 in 5 trillion Probability of at least 11 homicides is ZERO: P = E-11 = 1-POISSON(10, 0.53, false) P = 1 in 70 billion 1400 MATERIAL WITNESSES (Who's Who in the JFK Assassination) 1964-66: at least 42 unnatural deaths Normally, 3 would be expected. Using the 0.000842 unweighted national rate, the probability is ZERO: P = 2.2E-30 = POISSON (42, 3.53, false) P = 1 in 10000 trillion trillion 1964-78: at least 85 unnatural deaths Normally, 17 would be expected. Using the 0.000818 unweighted national rate, the probability is ZERO: P = E-31 = POISSON (85, 17.18, false) P = 1 in 10 million trillion trillion Using the JFK-weighted rate (0.000230): P = E-73 = POISSON (85, 4.88, false) 1964-78: at least 50 homicides Normally, 2 would be expected. Using the 0.000084 average national homicide rate, the probability is ZERO: P = E-53 = POISSON (50, 1.77, false) P = 1 in 100,000 trillion trillion trillion trillion ******************************************************* T years; n deaths; Probability; Exp= N*T*R; Mortality Rate; Cause LONDON TIMES ACTUARY T n Probability Exp Mortality Cause 3 18 9.93E-18 0.90 0.000537 Weighted Total N=560 3 13 9.96E-18 0.29 0.000207 Unnatural N=459 3 8 4.49E-14 0.08 0.000059 Homicides 3 13 1.05E-24 0.08 0.000059 Homicides (spec) TOTAL MATERIAL 1,400 1 22 6.59E-21 1.15 0.000825 National Unnatural 1 22 1.79E-37 0.20 0.000139 Weighted Unnatural 1 24 8.60E-19 1.87 0.001338 Weighted Total 1 16 7.80E-32 0.08 0.000056 Homicides 1 24 3.50E-51 0.08 0.000056 Homicides (spec) 3 42 2.22E-30 3.53 0.000842 National Unnatural 3 42 5.14E-55 0.86 0.000205 Weighted Unnatural 3 47 3.93E-32 4.32 0.001029 Weighted Total 3 26 3.81E-43 0.25 0.000059 Homicides 3 42 2.36E-77 0.25 0.000059 Homicides (spec) 15 85 1.18E-31 17.18 0.000818 National Unnatural 15 85 3.26E-73 4.88 0.000232 Weighted Unnatural 15 120 1.17E-28 36.09 0.001719 Weighted Total 15 50 1.42E-53 1.77 0.000084 Homicides 15 92 9.17E-121 1.77 0.000084 Homicides (spec) WHO'S WHO IN JFK 1,400 15 73 1.12E-23 17.18 0.000818 National Unnatural 15 73 2.86E-59 4.71 0.000224 Weighted Unnatural 15 95 2.37E-27 24.55 0.001169 Weighted Total 15 46 8.01E-48 1.77 0.000084 Homicides 15 88 6.26E-114 1.77 0.000084 Homicides (spec) WARREN COMMISSION 552 3 10 2.16E-06 1.39 0.000842 National Unnatural 3 10 2.26E-11 0.40 0.000245 Weighted Unnatural 15 18 2.47E-04 6.78 0.000818 National Unnatural 15 18 1.64E-11 2.13 0.000257 Weighted Unnatural 15 30 2.47E-03 17.92 0.002164 Weighted Total 3 6 1.14E-09 0.10 0.000059 Homicides 15 11 2.54E-10 0.70 0.000084 Homicides 15 18 1.21E-19 0.70 0.000084 Homicides (spec) "HIT LIST" 50 15 43 2.79E-20 6.97 0.000842 National Unnatural 15 42 3.19E-42 1.77 0.000084 Homicides 15 50 1.42E-53 1.77 0.000084 Homicides (spec) Official Cause of Death 1,400 15 78 6.63E-27 17.18 0.000818 National Unnatural 15 78 1.93E-61 5.41 0.000257 Weighted Unnatural 15 120 2.88E-26 38.59 0.001837 Weighted Total 15 35 7.96E-33 1.77 0.000084 Homicides FOUR INVESTIGATIONS 1,142 Witnesses (est.)) 15 30 2.47E-03 17.92 0.002164 Warren Com (552) 7 16 1.32E-16 0.72 0.001293 Garrison (80 est) 2 8 8.61E-09 0.39 0.001293 Church (150 est) 3 21 1.12E-13 2.35 0.002172 HSCA (360 est) Unnatural 38 3 10 2.26E-11 0.40 0.000245 Warren Com (552) 7 12 1.34E-21 0.10 0.000173 Garrison (80 est) 2 5 2.99E-10 0.03 0.000109 Church (150 est) 3 11 2.38E-16 0.19 0.000176 HSCA (360 est) 15 63 1.97E-06 33.38 0.001949 Total Deaths 15 39 3.21E-08 14.02 0.000818 National Unnatural 15 39 4.16E-27 3.55 0.000207 Weighted Unnatural 15 28 2.28E-26 1.44 0.000084 Homicides 15 39 1.95E-41 1.44 0.000084 Homicides (spec) FBI INTERVIEWS? 25,000 3 25 1.43E-11 4.44 0.000059 Homicides 15 100 1.96E-22 31.62 0.000084 Homicides (spec) Probability that EXACTLY n out of 1400 witnesses die unnaturally in one year (declines EXPONENTIALLY as n increases) n PROBABILITY 1 in 0 3.15E-01 3 1 3.64E-01 3 2 2.10E-01 5 3 8.09E-02 12 4 2.34E-02 43 5 5.40E-03 185 6 1.04E-03 963 7 1.71E-04 5,834 8 2.47E-05 40,409 9 3.18E-06 314,873 10 3.67E-07 2,726,172 11 3.85E-08 25,963,547 12 3.71E-09 269,751,135 13 3.29E-10 3,036,159,956 14 2.72E-11 36,801,938,859 15 2.09E-12 477,947,257,903 16 1.51E-13 6,620,914,395,190 17 1.03E-14 97,450,688,067,732 18 6.58E-16 1,526,824,370,949,295 19 4.00E-17 24,983,141,484,728,104 20 2.31E-18 432,608,510,558,062,460 21 1.27E-19 7,865,609,282,873,863,200 22 6.67E-21 149,821,129,197,597,360,000 Mark Lane is the lawyer who would have represented Oswald. He is the author of several landmark books on the Kennedy assassination. Rush to Judgment was the seminal book which debunked the Warren Commission. In this video, Lane interviews Penn Jones, a JFK researcher who investigated the strange deaths of many assassination witnesses. JFK-related witnesses and cause of death. A summary of JFK deaths. The Conspiracy Zone shows the analysis presented here. The Men Who Killed Kennedy The Forgotten Victims to a Genuine Conspiracy - Part 1 The Forgotten Victims to a Genuine Conspiracy - Part 2 Injury and Death Statistics http://www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html About these ads var wpcom_adclk_hovering = false; var wpcom_adclk_recorded = false; var wpcom_adclk_theme = "Choco"; var wpcom_adclk_slot = "wpcom_below_post_adsafe"; var wpcom_adclk_network = ( typeof wpcom_adclk_network === "undefined" ) ? 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``` ← The True Vote Model: Components of Election Fraud – Uncounted, Stuffed and Switched Ballots An Open Letter to Nate Silver from Richard Charnin → 10 Responses to Probability Analysis and Database of JFK Assassination Witness Deaths Salvador Mongan March 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm Excellent read, I just passed this onto a colleague who was doing some research on that. And he just bought me lunch as I found it for him smile So let me rephrase that: Thank you for lunch! Reply   Richard Charnin March 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm Interesting. What kind of research? Reply   LanceThruster June 4, 2012 at 6:27 pm A professor at my university did a supposed refutation of Oliver Stone’s “JFK” when it came out. My pal, Bernie the Attorney, upon hearing the details of his talk said, “That guy’s either stupid or a liar, and I don’t think [univ. name] is in the habit of hiring stupid professors.” Thanks for a great piece. Reply   Philip A. Stahl June 15, 2012 at 10:48 am One of the most comprehensive statistical analyses I have seen on the JFK witness issue, which bolsters my hypothesis that the architects who planned the JFK hit added a ‘redundancy insurance’ factor in the form of a designated kill squad to take out any and all witnesses that might go public. You are also exactly correct on the use, application of the Poisson which I myself have used in solar flare statistical analyses. (See, e.g. the issue of Solar Physics from May 1984, and the paper by me and co-authored by Anthony Achong.) Reply   Richard Charnin June 30, 2012 at 1:09 am Thanks Philip. The Poisson Distribution is also applicable for proving Election Fraud. The probabilility of a presidential state exit poll being outside the margin of error is 5%. But 126 of 274 polls from 1988-2008 fell outside the MoE, 123 in favor of the Republican, 3 for the Democrat. Only 14 would be expected in total to exceed the MoE The probability of 123 exceeding the margin of error is 5.4E-106. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdFIzSTJtMTJZekNBWUdtbWp3bHlpWGc#gid=15 Reply   Robert Kirkconnell January 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm I just finished a book that included the JFK assassination, and I have been looking for the info you have here for a while. I found bits, pieces, etc., but nothing that plainly shows the figures where you can see at a glance what the deal is. Thanks. My thesis is that America went from a Republic (at least the appearance of one) to a Pathocracy when JFK’s head exploded in Dallas. I would like to use some of your info in my next book, if you would not mind. Of course I will cite you as the source. Reply   Richard Charnin January 29, 2013 at 9:00 am Robert, I’m glad you like the info and analysis. What book did you just finished reading (or wrote)? What will your next book be about and when will it be out? FYI: The probability analysis will be included in two books coming out this year on JFK. Reply   joe zircon February 19, 2013 at 5:02 pm The JFK witnesses are selected after the fact (in 1993) and many other people who lived are ignored. This is all refuted on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/forum/jfk/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxTXBP6FXU9HHM&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx1DEQJ7OG8LC25 Reply   Richard Charnin February 20, 2013 at 7:16 am Of course they were selected after the fact that the witnesses died unnaturally. Many witnesses were not interviewed although they wanted to tell the WARREN COMMISSION THAT THEY SAW SHOTS FIRED FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. Thanks for the link to Amazon. It shows that the Warren Commission defenders have no case. In fact we don’t need scores of JFK-related mysterious UNLIKELY deaths to prove a conspiracy. We just need one: Ruby killing Oswald – and Ruby himself admitting that it was a conspiracy in this interview. MOTIVE. MEANS. OPPORTUNITY. Do you truly believe there was no conspiracy? Or just that the math doesn’t prove it? Reply   Samuel Fisher April 14, 2013 at 7:37 am What are the odds that a murder suspect will be killed while in police custody?   Leave a Reply Enter your comment here... Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Email (required) (Address never made public) Name (required) Website You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Twitter account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Facebook account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Google+ account. 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